I am trying to find the birthplace, Cahirneen, of John Considine, son of Thomas and Mary O'Loughlin, born 11 June 1888 <https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 927785.pdf>. Younger children were born at Barefield (eg Peter, b 1896) and the family was in Barefield in the 1901 census.
It's not included in the townlands list, and googling it produces a few hits that I've not found helpful.
David Lynch
Where is Cahirneen?
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Re: Where is Cahirneen?
Hi David
Here is my shot at Cahirneen. I think it may be the old name for part of the townland of Ballymulqueeny in the parish of Templemaley. I think it is the place called Cahercuneen in the transcription of Tithe Applotment Books for that parish: https://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/cocla ... ey_tab.htm. The transcription may not be quite correct - you will note that the placename is very faded in the original book – see the placename written sideways at the bottom of page: http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... _00135.pdf.
The Catholic parish of Doora and Kilraghtis also included much, if not all, of Templemaley (https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0780), and I see that Thomas Considine, Barefield, married Mary O’Loughlin, from Ballyhee, on 15 June 1880. I failed to find a civil record of the marriage. The 1901 census shows Thomas and Mary living in Ballymulqueeney: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... y/1068862/. The 1911 census shows that they have been married for 31 years, had 13 children born to them of whom 12 had survived: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... ny/352612/
At www.irishgenealogy.ie, I found 8 of the births (1886-1904) and see that the Cahirneen address is given for John, as you have shown, and also for Anne: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 876175.pdf.
G.R.O.: 23rd Jun. 1886: Mary to Thomas Considine, Ballymulqueeny, Farmer, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O.: 11th June 1888: John to Thomas Considine, Cahirneen, Labourer, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O.: 1st Apr. 1892: Anne to Thomas Considine, Cahirneen, Herd, and Mary O’Loughlen.
G.R.O.: 5th July 1896: Peter to Thomas Considine, Barefield, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O.: 16th Mar. 1899: Thomas Considine to Thomas Considine, Barefield, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O. 14ht Nov. 1900: Michael to Thomas Considine, Barefield, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O.: 10th Jan. 1903: Patrick to Thomas Considine, Ballymulqueeny, Farmer, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O.: 14th Oct. 1904: William to Thomas Considine, Barefield, Farmer, and Mary O’Loughlin
Sheila
Here is my shot at Cahirneen. I think it may be the old name for part of the townland of Ballymulqueeny in the parish of Templemaley. I think it is the place called Cahercuneen in the transcription of Tithe Applotment Books for that parish: https://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/cocla ... ey_tab.htm. The transcription may not be quite correct - you will note that the placename is very faded in the original book – see the placename written sideways at the bottom of page: http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... _00135.pdf.
The Catholic parish of Doora and Kilraghtis also included much, if not all, of Templemaley (https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0780), and I see that Thomas Considine, Barefield, married Mary O’Loughlin, from Ballyhee, on 15 June 1880. I failed to find a civil record of the marriage. The 1901 census shows Thomas and Mary living in Ballymulqueeney: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... y/1068862/. The 1911 census shows that they have been married for 31 years, had 13 children born to them of whom 12 had survived: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... ny/352612/
At www.irishgenealogy.ie, I found 8 of the births (1886-1904) and see that the Cahirneen address is given for John, as you have shown, and also for Anne: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 876175.pdf.
G.R.O.: 23rd Jun. 1886: Mary to Thomas Considine, Ballymulqueeny, Farmer, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O.: 11th June 1888: John to Thomas Considine, Cahirneen, Labourer, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O.: 1st Apr. 1892: Anne to Thomas Considine, Cahirneen, Herd, and Mary O’Loughlen.
G.R.O.: 5th July 1896: Peter to Thomas Considine, Barefield, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O.: 16th Mar. 1899: Thomas Considine to Thomas Considine, Barefield, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O. 14ht Nov. 1900: Michael to Thomas Considine, Barefield, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O.: 10th Jan. 1903: Patrick to Thomas Considine, Ballymulqueeny, Farmer, and Mary O’Loughlin.
G.R.O.: 14th Oct. 1904: William to Thomas Considine, Barefield, Farmer, and Mary O’Loughlin
Sheila
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Re: Where is Cahirneen?
I fully agree with Sheila's comments. I also saw the Mary Considine baptism in 1886, with parents Thomas & Mary, then in "Ballymullqueeney" - note the longer townland spelling no longer in use. While Cahirneen may be a corruption of Cahircuneen, also note the several townlands fairly nearby in the Ennistymon area, such as Rineen, Ballyvraneen, Mulcullin, Tullygarvin -- perhaps indicating an ancient "root" word with that "een" or "in" sound. In any case, if you are chasing down the origin of this Thomas Considine, perhaps you can do transcriptions of RC parish records in the Doora and Kilmanheen parishes that are yet lacking online (see https://clarelibrary.ie/eolas/library/l ... ecords.htm)
S. Carberry
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Re: Where is Cahirneen?
Sheila,
Thank you. Your reply seems spot on. I too have failed to find civil registration for the marriage and the eldest three children, Nora, Kate and Mary.
David
Thank you. Your reply seems spot on. I too have failed to find civil registration for the marriage and the eldest three children, Nora, Kate and Mary.
David
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Re: Where is Cahirneen?
Sharon,
Thank you for your reply.
It is Thomas Considine's wife, Mary O'Loughlin, that I'm trying to trace. I have DNA evidence that she is related to my great-grandfather, John Lynch (b probably Clare, 1808).
David
Thank you for your reply.
It is Thomas Considine's wife, Mary O'Loughlin, that I'm trying to trace. I have DNA evidence that she is related to my great-grandfather, John Lynch (b probably Clare, 1808).
David
Re: Where is Cahirneen?
Hi David
I think the eldest child was called Bridget. This is the record of the marriage of Bridget Considine to Dan O’Connor in 1900: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 763758.pdf. The 1901 census gives her age as 20, so born in 1881: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... a/1068725/
You will see that one of the witnesses to the marriage was a Bridget O’Loughlin. I think this Bridget must be a first cousin of Bridget Considine. She may be the Bridget O’Loughlin who is one of the daughters of John O’Loughlin, living in Toonagh Commons in 1901 – that is just a guess, of course: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... s/1068939/.
Sheila
I think the eldest child was called Bridget. This is the record of the marriage of Bridget Considine to Dan O’Connor in 1900: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 763758.pdf. The 1901 census gives her age as 20, so born in 1881: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... a/1068725/
You will see that one of the witnesses to the marriage was a Bridget O’Loughlin. I think this Bridget must be a first cousin of Bridget Considine. She may be the Bridget O’Loughlin who is one of the daughters of John O’Loughlin, living in Toonagh Commons in 1901 – that is just a guess, of course: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... s/1068939/.
Sheila