Hi Jimbo
I have nothing much to add here, but must congratulate you on sorting out those Elizabeth McNamaras, both of roughly the same age, one who went to her aunt Mrs. O’Gorman in New Haven, the other who married a neighbour of Mrs. O’Gorman’s. Jimbo, you must have been really baffled when, having married off the first Elizabeth to John Toohey, she then reappeared as a single woman. I would have decided I needed a holiday.
So I wonder if the Elizabeth, who actually did marry John Toohey, could be the daughter of Thomas McNamara and Anne Glynn. That Elizabeth was born in 1893. The fact that she gives immigration year as 1910 would explain why she is not in the 1911 census (I failed to find her). A girl of 17 would not be too young to emigrate, I think, and maybe her parents had already emigrated and sent for her.
Nevertheless, I found that it was unusual for a girl aged 13 – 17 to emigrate:
I checked the civil records and found that there were 4 Eliza/beth McNamaras born in Ireland in 1893. One birth registered in Tulla (Eliza from Derryhumma) and one in Ennis (the latter was still at home in Killow, Clareabbey, in 1911).
There were 5 born in Ireland 1894, with two births registered in Kilrush. One was Eliza born to Peter McNamara and Bridget Neylon, Ballynagun. I failed to find this family in Clare in 1911. The other was Lizzie born to John McNamara and Mary Lynch, Kilkee – she is still living at home in 1911.
There were 2 born in 1895, one registered in Scarriff – daughter of Patrick McNamara and Honora Guilfoyle, Ayle: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 831889.pdf. Lizzie was still living in Ayle in 1911. Her mother was also called Honora Powell and was from Ugoon.
There were 6 Eliza/beths born in 1896. One is Eliza born to John McNamara and Ellen McNamara, Knockanoura, Clooney parish – she is still at home in 1911. Another is Eliza born to Michael McNamara and Hannah McMahon in Ahish – we know that she was at home in 1911. Another is Elizabeth born to Denis McNamara and Bridget Coen, Mount Shannon - she is still at home in 1911 (aged 14). Another is Lizzie born to Pat Macnamara and Bridget Mulconry, Ilanmore, Templemaley parish – she is still at home (in Inishmore) in 1911.
I should say that I only looked at the births registered in Co. Clare, but it was enough to show that out of nine Eliza/beths born 1893 – 1896, only 2 had left home by 1911, Eliza from Kilrush, who may not have emigrated, and Eliza from Derryhumma.
Thank you, Jimbo, for your previous post, where you explained the whipping of the herring. I’d never heard of that practice, but I’m sure Mr. Clune understood the significance of the red herring on the table. I have a book, You Will Dye at Midnight: Victorian Threatening Letters, by Donal McCracken, but there is no mention of fishes. This herring is a 20th century herring and so would not have qualified anyway.
Sheila
Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
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Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Hi Sheila,
I agree that the Elizabeth McNamara, who married John E. Toohey in New Haven in 1927, might have been the daughter of (the missing) Thomas McNamara and Anne Glynn of Derryhumma. And that the timing of her arrival in 1910 would be perfect for the Elizabeth McNamara living with her Glynn grandmother in 1901.
The Elizabeth McNamara, born on 22 April 1894, the daughter of Peter McNamara and Bridget Neylon, was "Lizzie McNamara", age 7, living with her parents in Cloonlaheen Middle, Knocknabooley, Clare in the 1901 census. Peter McNamara was a laborer / herdsman and thus moved more frequently than if of the farmer class. In the 1911 census, the Peter McNamara family was living in Doonagan, Mullagh, Clare.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... e/1079036/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... an/361615/
Elizabeth McNamara, who would have been age 17 in 1911, was not one of the six children living with the Peter McNamara family in 1911, who were reported to be the parents of seven children, seven living. Had she immigrated to the USA in 1910? and married John E. Toohey in New Haven in 1927? She may have immigrated, but did not marry John E. Toohey in 1927. The widow Elizabeth Kelley, of Abbott street, Binghampton, born in Clare on 22 April 1894, daughter of Peter McNamara and Bridget Neylon, married Daniel Segrue on 21 September 1933:
1933 marriage certificate:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKN1-TZT4
In the 1950 census, Elizabeth McNamara Toohey was living with her "daughter", Anne Toohey, as noted in my prior posting. Unfortunately, the Toohey family was not reported in the 1940 census, as I believe this might have provided a different family relationship or possibly additional "children". Anne Toohey was actually Elizabeth's niece, the daughter of Henry "Harry" Toohey and Helen Ursula Glynn.
Henry J. Toohey, age 33, residence Brooklyn, born in Branford, Connecticut, parents John H. Toohey and Mary A. Toohey, married Ellen U. Glynn, age 28, residence Hotel Commodore, born in New Haven, parents John J. Glynn and Ellen Brennan, on 23 January 1927 at St. Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan:
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... ew/9494506
In the 1930 census, Harry J. Toohey (age 36) and Hellen Toohey (age 32, CT born) are living with their children, Eugene J. (age 2) and Ellen J. (age 0) at Sheldon Terrace in New Haven. Helen Toohey died on 29 April 1936 in New Haven per CT death index. Harry Toohey and his children also cannot be found in the 1940 census. However, in his 1942 WWII registration, Harry Joseph Toohey is living with his sister-in-law, Elizabeth Toohey at 172 Chatham in New Haven. The widow Elizabeth McNamara Toohey stepped in to raise the children of widower Harry Toohey, including Anne Toohey (later Sister Jerome). Without CT birth records or the 1940 census, and with a 1950 census stating that Anne was the daughter of Elizabeth McNamara Toohey, it took the obituary of Harry's daughter, Ellen Jane Toohey Donahue, to set the record straight. From her 1999 obituary, Ellen was reported to be "the sister of John Toohey [born after 1930] . . . and the late Eugene Toohey, and Sister Jerome A.S.C.J. (Anne Toohey). . . . After the death of her mother she was raised by her aunt, Elizabeth Ann Toohey. She was born in New Haven on April 29, 1929, a daughter of the late Harry and Helen Glynn Toohey. . . . " per Hartford Currant, 2 September 1999.
Was Connecticut born Helen Glynn Toohey related to Anne Glynn McNamara, the mother of Elizabeth McNamara Toohey? Unlikely. Here is Ellen Glynn (age 1) living in New Haven in the 1900 census with her father John Glynn (age 42, born in Ireland), and second wife of three years, Ellen [Brennan] Glynn (age 33), their two children, Ellen (1 year) and Gertrude (10 months), and three children from John's first marriage. Along with a boarder, Morris Glynn, age 32, born in Ireland.
1900 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M97H-R3L
These Glynns are from Rossmanagher townland of Sixmilebridge Parish. "Morris" was born on 8 April 1866 to Patrick Glynn and Kate Irwin of Rossmanagher (Ennis registration). "Maurice" was baptized on 9 April 1866, sponsors James Coughlan and Anne Irwin of Rosmanaher (Sixmilebridge Baptisms, 1865-1881).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 297085.pdf
Unfortunately, cannot find a John Glynn born in late 1850's in the Sixmilebridge baptism records with these parents. There are a few family trees on the ancestry website, which have this family, and many of the children of Patrick Glynn and Kate Irwin will immigrate to New Haven and are well documented. Surprisingly, Morris, with his unusual name, is not well documented, he has his correct parents, but with a birth in England in 1872? Also, the documentation for the parents, Patrick and Kate Glynn, and their supposed deaths in New Haven is weak (the ages are off, and no census records), and I would not be surprised if they appear in Irish civil death records. Anyways, these Glynns of Rossmanagher (and later New Haven) don't appear related to the Glynns of Derryfadda, the grandparents of Elizabeth McNamara Toohey .
The Elizabeth McNamara, who would marry John E. Toohey in 1927, was very likely in the 1920 census the "21 year old" Elizabeth MacNamara, a domestic servant in the George Dahl household of New Haven, with a reported year of immigration of 1911:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCNV-9MV
The census taker likely spoke to either Mr. or Mrs. Dahl to obtain the census data, including the age of their Irish born domestic servant. Sheila, as you have researched, it would be very unlikely that the Elizabeth MacNamara of the 1920 census had arrived in the USA at the age of 10 years old. Far more likely, that Elizabeth was in her late twenties.
I had previously searched for Elizabeth McNamara's arrival to the USA in 1909 give or take a few years, and before posting the above decided to have another go. The ancestry search results equate "Elizabeth" and "Eliza", but I realize now that "Lizzie" is not included in any search results for an "Elizabeth". A search of "Lizzie McNamara" who arrived in the USA in 1909 give or take a few years was very successful:
Lizzie McNamara, age 17, maid; last residence Gort, Ireland; Irish contact, her aunt Margaret Baldwin of Ballyaneen, Gort; destination, Ansonia, Connecticut; USA contact, her mother Mrs. A.M. Valence of 148 Beaver Street, Ansonia, Connecticut; arrived in New York on the RMS Campania on 1 October 1910.
1910 passenger listing: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JJ62-43J
In the 1909 city directory for Ansonia, Connecticut, a "Thomas Valance" was an employee at C B Mfg Co. and resided at 148 Beaver. The two others with the Valance surname in the directory sound very Italian: Giovanni and Sebastiano.
Thomas Valance, born in Ireland, was living in Ansonia, New Haven County in the census years of 1900 through 1940, with a birth year reported from 1865 to 1869 . He had children born between 1891 and 1921, over a 30 year period, and thus I assumed that Thomas Valance had been married twice. First to an "Ellen" (as reported in 1900 census), and secondly to an "Anne" (as reported from 1910 onwards). The social security applications of their two youngest children, reported their father as "Thomas Valance" and mother as "Annie Glynn".
1900 Census: Thomas Valance (age 33, born Ireland) and Ellen Valance (age 33, born in Ireland), married 11 years, were parents of four children:
1900: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M97S-FTQ
1) Nellie Valance (age 9). Married James McCabe prior to 1920.
2) Josephine Valance (age 8 ). Married John Sokolowski on 24 April 1911 in Ansonia.
3) Mary Valance (age 5), died 18 June 1924.
4) John Valance (10 months), died 21 June 1902.
The 1900 census stated that they were the parents of 7 children, 4 surviving. A "Thomas Valence" died on 5 September 1898 in Ansonia; a "Patrick Valence" died on July 1899 in Ansonia.
An "Ellen Valins" died on 16 March 1908 in Ansonia (per CT death index). Thomas Vallance married Anne McNamara on 1 January 1910 in Derby, Connecticut (per CT marriage index).
1910 Census: Thomas Valance (age 45, born Ireland) and Anne Valance ("age 45", born Ireland), married 20 years (perhaps only from Thomas' perspective?), with same children as in 1900, except their son John had died in 1902. It states that Anna Valance was the mother of three children, with three surviving (which as a newlywed was incorrect). Plus, the "immigration year" of 1889 was incorrect, as Anne Glynn was still living in Clare and was not yet even married to Thomas McNamara.
1910: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MK2X-T2V
1920 Census: Thomas Valance (age 51, born Ireland) and Anne Valance ("age 51", born Ireland), were living with only their one daughter.
5) Anna M Valance (age 6). She married Anthony Venditto in 1939. Per Social Security claims index, Anna Valance Venditto was born on 25 November 1913 to Thomas Valance and Annie Glynn.
1920: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCN4-1HK
1930 Census: Thomas Valance and Anne Valance, were living with daughter Anne M. (age 15), plus a younger son:
6) Thomas Valance (age 9). Per SS claims index, Thomas Joseph Valance was born on 24 September 1920 (after 1920 census) in Ansonia to parents Thomas L. Valance and Anna Glynn.
1930: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XM5Q-SX2
Thomas Valance, Sr., died on 1 May 1945 in Middletown, CT. Anne Valance, "age 76", widowed, residence Ansonia, spouse Thomas, died in Middletown on 12 February 1955. Both per CT death index.
Anne Glynn was born in May 1873 to Thomas Glynn and Mary Finn at Caher Feakle Parish, so she was quite a bit younger than reported in the census years, and five years older (age 81) when she died in 1955.
Sheila, this solves the mystery of the Elizabeth "Lizzie" McNamara who was born on 7 June 1893 to Thomas McNamara and Anne Glynn. She arrived on the RMS Campania in October 1910, to join her mother, who had gotten remarried ten months earlier to an Irishman by the name of Thomas Vallance. And with near certainty, I reckon, she was the Elizabeth McNamara who married John E. Toohey in 1927.
Not sure what happened to Thomas McNamara married to Anne Glynn? Was he still living in 1901?
The identity of Elizabeth's aunt, Mrs. Margaret Baldwin of Gort, identified in the 1910 passenger listing, was easy to discover in the 1911 census of Carrownavohanaun townland, Kiltartan, Galway. Thomas (age 43) and Margaret (age 34) Baldwin had been married 9 years according to the 1911 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... un/903199/
Thomas Baldwin, of Ballynaheen, Galway, married Margaret Glynn, of Derryfodda, daughter of Thomas Glynn [and Mary Finn per 1876 baptism], on 28 November 1901 at Killanena chapel (Tulla civil registration):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 760690.pdf
In Ireland, there are a few individuals in the census with the surname "Vallance" or "Vallence". In the Irish civil records, there were 80 results which include name variants of "Vallance". Not a common surname in Ireland.
The widow Elizabeth McNamara Toohey raised four nephews and nieces (the children of brother-in-law Harry Toohey) in New Haven, where she had the support of her mother, Annie Glynn McNamara Valance, in Ansonia, a city 12 miles northwest of New Haven. And Elizabeth also had two Valance half siblings who were 20 plus years her junior. Her life story is very different than I pictured just 24 hours ago.
Edit 1 on 10th Oct: "Butler" corrected to "Baldwin", other typos.
I agree that the Elizabeth McNamara, who married John E. Toohey in New Haven in 1927, might have been the daughter of (the missing) Thomas McNamara and Anne Glynn of Derryhumma. And that the timing of her arrival in 1910 would be perfect for the Elizabeth McNamara living with her Glynn grandmother in 1901.
The Elizabeth McNamara, born on 22 April 1894, the daughter of Peter McNamara and Bridget Neylon, was "Lizzie McNamara", age 7, living with her parents in Cloonlaheen Middle, Knocknabooley, Clare in the 1901 census. Peter McNamara was a laborer / herdsman and thus moved more frequently than if of the farmer class. In the 1911 census, the Peter McNamara family was living in Doonagan, Mullagh, Clare.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... e/1079036/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... an/361615/
Elizabeth McNamara, who would have been age 17 in 1911, was not one of the six children living with the Peter McNamara family in 1911, who were reported to be the parents of seven children, seven living. Had she immigrated to the USA in 1910? and married John E. Toohey in New Haven in 1927? She may have immigrated, but did not marry John E. Toohey in 1927. The widow Elizabeth Kelley, of Abbott street, Binghampton, born in Clare on 22 April 1894, daughter of Peter McNamara and Bridget Neylon, married Daniel Segrue on 21 September 1933:
1933 marriage certificate:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKN1-TZT4
In the 1950 census, Elizabeth McNamara Toohey was living with her "daughter", Anne Toohey, as noted in my prior posting. Unfortunately, the Toohey family was not reported in the 1940 census, as I believe this might have provided a different family relationship or possibly additional "children". Anne Toohey was actually Elizabeth's niece, the daughter of Henry "Harry" Toohey and Helen Ursula Glynn.
Henry J. Toohey, age 33, residence Brooklyn, born in Branford, Connecticut, parents John H. Toohey and Mary A. Toohey, married Ellen U. Glynn, age 28, residence Hotel Commodore, born in New Haven, parents John J. Glynn and Ellen Brennan, on 23 January 1927 at St. Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan:
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... ew/9494506
In the 1930 census, Harry J. Toohey (age 36) and Hellen Toohey (age 32, CT born) are living with their children, Eugene J. (age 2) and Ellen J. (age 0) at Sheldon Terrace in New Haven. Helen Toohey died on 29 April 1936 in New Haven per CT death index. Harry Toohey and his children also cannot be found in the 1940 census. However, in his 1942 WWII registration, Harry Joseph Toohey is living with his sister-in-law, Elizabeth Toohey at 172 Chatham in New Haven. The widow Elizabeth McNamara Toohey stepped in to raise the children of widower Harry Toohey, including Anne Toohey (later Sister Jerome). Without CT birth records or the 1940 census, and with a 1950 census stating that Anne was the daughter of Elizabeth McNamara Toohey, it took the obituary of Harry's daughter, Ellen Jane Toohey Donahue, to set the record straight. From her 1999 obituary, Ellen was reported to be "the sister of John Toohey [born after 1930] . . . and the late Eugene Toohey, and Sister Jerome A.S.C.J. (Anne Toohey). . . . After the death of her mother she was raised by her aunt, Elizabeth Ann Toohey. She was born in New Haven on April 29, 1929, a daughter of the late Harry and Helen Glynn Toohey. . . . " per Hartford Currant, 2 September 1999.
Was Connecticut born Helen Glynn Toohey related to Anne Glynn McNamara, the mother of Elizabeth McNamara Toohey? Unlikely. Here is Ellen Glynn (age 1) living in New Haven in the 1900 census with her father John Glynn (age 42, born in Ireland), and second wife of three years, Ellen [Brennan] Glynn (age 33), their two children, Ellen (1 year) and Gertrude (10 months), and three children from John's first marriage. Along with a boarder, Morris Glynn, age 32, born in Ireland.
1900 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M97H-R3L
These Glynns are from Rossmanagher townland of Sixmilebridge Parish. "Morris" was born on 8 April 1866 to Patrick Glynn and Kate Irwin of Rossmanagher (Ennis registration). "Maurice" was baptized on 9 April 1866, sponsors James Coughlan and Anne Irwin of Rosmanaher (Sixmilebridge Baptisms, 1865-1881).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 297085.pdf
Unfortunately, cannot find a John Glynn born in late 1850's in the Sixmilebridge baptism records with these parents. There are a few family trees on the ancestry website, which have this family, and many of the children of Patrick Glynn and Kate Irwin will immigrate to New Haven and are well documented. Surprisingly, Morris, with his unusual name, is not well documented, he has his correct parents, but with a birth in England in 1872? Also, the documentation for the parents, Patrick and Kate Glynn, and their supposed deaths in New Haven is weak (the ages are off, and no census records), and I would not be surprised if they appear in Irish civil death records. Anyways, these Glynns of Rossmanagher (and later New Haven) don't appear related to the Glynns of Derryfadda, the grandparents of Elizabeth McNamara Toohey .
The Elizabeth McNamara, who would marry John E. Toohey in 1927, was very likely in the 1920 census the "21 year old" Elizabeth MacNamara, a domestic servant in the George Dahl household of New Haven, with a reported year of immigration of 1911:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCNV-9MV
The census taker likely spoke to either Mr. or Mrs. Dahl to obtain the census data, including the age of their Irish born domestic servant. Sheila, as you have researched, it would be very unlikely that the Elizabeth MacNamara of the 1920 census had arrived in the USA at the age of 10 years old. Far more likely, that Elizabeth was in her late twenties.
I had previously searched for Elizabeth McNamara's arrival to the USA in 1909 give or take a few years, and before posting the above decided to have another go. The ancestry search results equate "Elizabeth" and "Eliza", but I realize now that "Lizzie" is not included in any search results for an "Elizabeth". A search of "Lizzie McNamara" who arrived in the USA in 1909 give or take a few years was very successful:
Lizzie McNamara, age 17, maid; last residence Gort, Ireland; Irish contact, her aunt Margaret Baldwin of Ballyaneen, Gort; destination, Ansonia, Connecticut; USA contact, her mother Mrs. A.M. Valence of 148 Beaver Street, Ansonia, Connecticut; arrived in New York on the RMS Campania on 1 October 1910.
1910 passenger listing: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JJ62-43J
In the 1909 city directory for Ansonia, Connecticut, a "Thomas Valance" was an employee at C B Mfg Co. and resided at 148 Beaver. The two others with the Valance surname in the directory sound very Italian: Giovanni and Sebastiano.
Thomas Valance, born in Ireland, was living in Ansonia, New Haven County in the census years of 1900 through 1940, with a birth year reported from 1865 to 1869 . He had children born between 1891 and 1921, over a 30 year period, and thus I assumed that Thomas Valance had been married twice. First to an "Ellen" (as reported in 1900 census), and secondly to an "Anne" (as reported from 1910 onwards). The social security applications of their two youngest children, reported their father as "Thomas Valance" and mother as "Annie Glynn".
1900 Census: Thomas Valance (age 33, born Ireland) and Ellen Valance (age 33, born in Ireland), married 11 years, were parents of four children:
1900: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M97S-FTQ
1) Nellie Valance (age 9). Married James McCabe prior to 1920.
2) Josephine Valance (age 8 ). Married John Sokolowski on 24 April 1911 in Ansonia.
3) Mary Valance (age 5), died 18 June 1924.
4) John Valance (10 months), died 21 June 1902.
The 1900 census stated that they were the parents of 7 children, 4 surviving. A "Thomas Valence" died on 5 September 1898 in Ansonia; a "Patrick Valence" died on July 1899 in Ansonia.
An "Ellen Valins" died on 16 March 1908 in Ansonia (per CT death index). Thomas Vallance married Anne McNamara on 1 January 1910 in Derby, Connecticut (per CT marriage index).
1910 Census: Thomas Valance (age 45, born Ireland) and Anne Valance ("age 45", born Ireland), married 20 years (perhaps only from Thomas' perspective?), with same children as in 1900, except their son John had died in 1902. It states that Anna Valance was the mother of three children, with three surviving (which as a newlywed was incorrect). Plus, the "immigration year" of 1889 was incorrect, as Anne Glynn was still living in Clare and was not yet even married to Thomas McNamara.
1910: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MK2X-T2V
1920 Census: Thomas Valance (age 51, born Ireland) and Anne Valance ("age 51", born Ireland), were living with only their one daughter.
5) Anna M Valance (age 6). She married Anthony Venditto in 1939. Per Social Security claims index, Anna Valance Venditto was born on 25 November 1913 to Thomas Valance and Annie Glynn.
1920: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCN4-1HK
1930 Census: Thomas Valance and Anne Valance, were living with daughter Anne M. (age 15), plus a younger son:
6) Thomas Valance (age 9). Per SS claims index, Thomas Joseph Valance was born on 24 September 1920 (after 1920 census) in Ansonia to parents Thomas L. Valance and Anna Glynn.
1930: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XM5Q-SX2
Thomas Valance, Sr., died on 1 May 1945 in Middletown, CT. Anne Valance, "age 76", widowed, residence Ansonia, spouse Thomas, died in Middletown on 12 February 1955. Both per CT death index.
Anne Glynn was born in May 1873 to Thomas Glynn and Mary Finn at Caher Feakle Parish, so she was quite a bit younger than reported in the census years, and five years older (age 81) when she died in 1955.
Sheila, this solves the mystery of the Elizabeth "Lizzie" McNamara who was born on 7 June 1893 to Thomas McNamara and Anne Glynn. She arrived on the RMS Campania in October 1910, to join her mother, who had gotten remarried ten months earlier to an Irishman by the name of Thomas Vallance. And with near certainty, I reckon, she was the Elizabeth McNamara who married John E. Toohey in 1927.
Not sure what happened to Thomas McNamara married to Anne Glynn? Was he still living in 1901?
The identity of Elizabeth's aunt, Mrs. Margaret Baldwin of Gort, identified in the 1910 passenger listing, was easy to discover in the 1911 census of Carrownavohanaun townland, Kiltartan, Galway. Thomas (age 43) and Margaret (age 34) Baldwin had been married 9 years according to the 1911 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... un/903199/
Thomas Baldwin, of Ballynaheen, Galway, married Margaret Glynn, of Derryfodda, daughter of Thomas Glynn [and Mary Finn per 1876 baptism], on 28 November 1901 at Killanena chapel (Tulla civil registration):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 760690.pdf
In Ireland, there are a few individuals in the census with the surname "Vallance" or "Vallence". In the Irish civil records, there were 80 results which include name variants of "Vallance". Not a common surname in Ireland.
The widow Elizabeth McNamara Toohey raised four nephews and nieces (the children of brother-in-law Harry Toohey) in New Haven, where she had the support of her mother, Annie Glynn McNamara Valance, in Ansonia, a city 12 miles northwest of New Haven. And Elizabeth also had two Valance half siblings who were 20 plus years her junior. Her life story is very different than I pictured just 24 hours ago.
Edit 1 on 10th Oct: "Butler" corrected to "Baldwin", other typos.
Last edited by Jimbo on Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:31 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Wow. Brilliant.
minor thing: change "Butler" to "Baldwin"
Sheila
minor thing: change "Butler" to "Baldwin"
Sheila
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Hi Jimbo
I’ve been looking at civil records (registered in Tulla Union) and think Elizabeth McNamara, born in Derryhumma June 1893, was the only child born to Thomas McNamara and Anne Glynn. I think Thomas died around that time. He reported the birth of Elizabeth, but it was Anne who reported the death of Thomas's father, Daniel McNamara, in May 1894: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 692559.pdf
I failed to find Anne in the 1901 census. I tried Anne, Ann and Annie, along with McNamara, MacNamara and Mack. Although she gives her age as 20 at her marriage to Thomas in Feb. 1891, she was only 17. She would have been 27 in 1901.
I think Elizabeth was called after her grandmother, Bess/Betty/Eliza McMahon, who was married to Daniel McNamara, Derryhumma, according to Quin-Clooney baptism register 1855-1880. It was interesting to hear that you had to make a separate search for the name Lizzie. The same probably applies to Betty and Bessy. And also Lillie, I suppose.
Sheila
I’ve been looking at civil records (registered in Tulla Union) and think Elizabeth McNamara, born in Derryhumma June 1893, was the only child born to Thomas McNamara and Anne Glynn. I think Thomas died around that time. He reported the birth of Elizabeth, but it was Anne who reported the death of Thomas's father, Daniel McNamara, in May 1894: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 692559.pdf
I failed to find Anne in the 1901 census. I tried Anne, Ann and Annie, along with McNamara, MacNamara and Mack. Although she gives her age as 20 at her marriage to Thomas in Feb. 1891, she was only 17. She would have been 27 in 1901.
I think Elizabeth was called after her grandmother, Bess/Betty/Eliza McMahon, who was married to Daniel McNamara, Derryhumma, according to Quin-Clooney baptism register 1855-1880. It was interesting to hear that you had to make a separate search for the name Lizzie. The same probably applies to Betty and Bessy. And also Lillie, I suppose.
Sheila
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
I forgot that I’d found the record of the birth of Thomas McNamara on 1 Apr 1864: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 333138.pdf. So, if he died about 1893, he would have been aged only 29.
Here is the marriage of Ellen, another child of Daniel McNamara and Bess McMahon, whose baptism does not seem to have been recorded in the Quin-Clooney baptisms. Thomas’s baptism took place in Crusheen, so it may be that Ellen’s also took place in Crusheen (the baptism register for that parish does not begin until 1860).
1st Mar 1870: Marriage of Michael Carney, Maghera, son of Dennis Carney, Farmer, to Ellen McNamara, Derryhumma, daughter of Daniel McNamara, Farmer; witnesses: John Mangan, Margaret McCarthy: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 176855.pdf
Michael Carney and Ellen McNamara had several children. “Carney” is often spelled “Kearney”. Daniel McNamara and Eliza McMahon were sponsors at the baptism of their daughter, Mary, on 19 Jan 1873. A Bess McNamara died in 1865 aged 52 (reg. Tulla), but this Bess is not the mother of Thomas who was born a year previously – the record of the baptism of Mary Carney shows that Bess/Eliza was still alive in 1873 (Baby Mary died after 9 days). The address for three Carney/Kearney baptisms is Rylane; for another two it is Maghera, and for another it is Parkgoraff, which is another place in Clooney parish. I think it is the place called “Park Garran” in the Tithes Applotment Books: https://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/cocla ... ey_tab.htm. In the 1816-1855 baptism register, it is Parkgarriff.
In 1901, an Ellen Kearney, aged 54, is living in Maghera, a widow, with three sons: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... a/1086860/
In 1911, she is aged 68, and living with two sons: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... ra/370008/
Ellen died in Maghera on 12 Sept 1920, aged 75; informant: Michael Kearney, son, Maghera: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 401641.pdf
If her age at death (75) is correct, she was born about 1845, almost twenty years before the birth of Thomas in 1864.
Sheila
Here is the marriage of Ellen, another child of Daniel McNamara and Bess McMahon, whose baptism does not seem to have been recorded in the Quin-Clooney baptisms. Thomas’s baptism took place in Crusheen, so it may be that Ellen’s also took place in Crusheen (the baptism register for that parish does not begin until 1860).
1st Mar 1870: Marriage of Michael Carney, Maghera, son of Dennis Carney, Farmer, to Ellen McNamara, Derryhumma, daughter of Daniel McNamara, Farmer; witnesses: John Mangan, Margaret McCarthy: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 176855.pdf
Michael Carney and Ellen McNamara had several children. “Carney” is often spelled “Kearney”. Daniel McNamara and Eliza McMahon were sponsors at the baptism of their daughter, Mary, on 19 Jan 1873. A Bess McNamara died in 1865 aged 52 (reg. Tulla), but this Bess is not the mother of Thomas who was born a year previously – the record of the baptism of Mary Carney shows that Bess/Eliza was still alive in 1873 (Baby Mary died after 9 days). The address for three Carney/Kearney baptisms is Rylane; for another two it is Maghera, and for another it is Parkgoraff, which is another place in Clooney parish. I think it is the place called “Park Garran” in the Tithes Applotment Books: https://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/cocla ... ey_tab.htm. In the 1816-1855 baptism register, it is Parkgarriff.
In 1901, an Ellen Kearney, aged 54, is living in Maghera, a widow, with three sons: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... a/1086860/
In 1911, she is aged 68, and living with two sons: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... ra/370008/
Ellen died in Maghera on 12 Sept 1920, aged 75; informant: Michael Kearney, son, Maghera: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 401641.pdf
If her age at death (75) is correct, she was born about 1845, almost twenty years before the birth of Thomas in 1864.
Sheila
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Hi Jimbo
I looked at the marriage of Ellen Kearney’s son, Michael, and was diverted for a while owing to the appearance of the name Madigan, a name familiar to us in the early years of searching for Thomas McNamara*. I noticed that one of the witnesses at the marriage of Michael (1915) was Joseph Murphy, and wondered if Joseph was a cousin who might lead me to another of Daniel McNamara’s daughters. But Joseph was just a neighbour, I think; his mother was Mary Madigan. Here is the sequence of records:
15 Feb 1915: Marriage of Michael Kearney, Maghera, son of Michael Kearney, Farmer, to Bridget McMahon, Cappabane, daughter of Pat McNamara, Farmer, in Scarriff Church; witnesses: Joseph Murphy, Margaret McMahon: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 560029.pdf
Joseph Murphy aged 10 in 1911: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... ra/370000/
27 Feb 1897: Marriage of Daniel Murphy, Farmer, Maghera, Cluny, son of Michael Murphy, Farmer, to Mary Madigan, Silvergrove [Killuran parish], daughter of John Madigan, Farmer, in O’Callaghan’s Mills chapel; witnesses: James Hennessy, Margaret Tobin: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 804314.pdf
O’Callaghan’s Mills baptisms 1835-1881: August 1859: Baptism of Mary of John Madigan and Hanna O’Brien.
John Madigan married Hanna O’Brien in 1855 (O’Callaghan’s Mills marriages).
John and Hanna had 6 children born to them between 1855 and 1861 (James 1855, John 1858, Ellen 1857, Mary 1859, Michael 1860, Thomas 1861).
John’s death is not registered, but he must have died sometime between 1861 and 1866, as Hannah married Martin Tobin in 1866: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 239453.pdf
6 Feb 1883, Silvergrove: Death of Martin Tobin, married, aged 50, Farmer; informant: Phil. Minogue: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 828376.pdf
1 May 1895, Silvergrove: Death of Honorah Tobin, widow, aged 66; informant: Thomas Tobin, son, Silvergrove: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 683638.pdf
1901 census: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... e/1087250/
* A Bridget O’Brien was sponsor at the baptism of James Madigan in Apr 1861 (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls ... 8/mode/1up). She might be related to Hannah, but we will never know.
Sheila
I looked at the marriage of Ellen Kearney’s son, Michael, and was diverted for a while owing to the appearance of the name Madigan, a name familiar to us in the early years of searching for Thomas McNamara*. I noticed that one of the witnesses at the marriage of Michael (1915) was Joseph Murphy, and wondered if Joseph was a cousin who might lead me to another of Daniel McNamara’s daughters. But Joseph was just a neighbour, I think; his mother was Mary Madigan. Here is the sequence of records:
15 Feb 1915: Marriage of Michael Kearney, Maghera, son of Michael Kearney, Farmer, to Bridget McMahon, Cappabane, daughter of Pat McNamara, Farmer, in Scarriff Church; witnesses: Joseph Murphy, Margaret McMahon: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 560029.pdf
Joseph Murphy aged 10 in 1911: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... ra/370000/
27 Feb 1897: Marriage of Daniel Murphy, Farmer, Maghera, Cluny, son of Michael Murphy, Farmer, to Mary Madigan, Silvergrove [Killuran parish], daughter of John Madigan, Farmer, in O’Callaghan’s Mills chapel; witnesses: James Hennessy, Margaret Tobin: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 804314.pdf
O’Callaghan’s Mills baptisms 1835-1881: August 1859: Baptism of Mary of John Madigan and Hanna O’Brien.
John Madigan married Hanna O’Brien in 1855 (O’Callaghan’s Mills marriages).
John and Hanna had 6 children born to them between 1855 and 1861 (James 1855, John 1858, Ellen 1857, Mary 1859, Michael 1860, Thomas 1861).
John’s death is not registered, but he must have died sometime between 1861 and 1866, as Hannah married Martin Tobin in 1866: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 239453.pdf
6 Feb 1883, Silvergrove: Death of Martin Tobin, married, aged 50, Farmer; informant: Phil. Minogue: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 828376.pdf
1 May 1895, Silvergrove: Death of Honorah Tobin, widow, aged 66; informant: Thomas Tobin, son, Silvergrove: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 683638.pdf
1901 census: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... e/1087250/
* A Bridget O’Brien was sponsor at the baptism of James Madigan in Apr 1861 (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls ... 8/mode/1up). She might be related to Hannah, but we will never know.
Sheila
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Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Sheila, John Madigan's death entry is in the parish register for O'Callaghan's Mills, records started by Fr. Patrick Quaid out of concern during the Famine era:
Your observation in this thread: "John’s death is not registered, but he must have died sometime between 1861 and 1866, as Hannah married Martin Tobin in 1866..."
Parish register:
01 Mar 1863 John Madigan [residence] Silvergrove [cause of death] Decline
"Registers by Surname" at
https://clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/g ... lonlea.htm
Sharon C.
Your observation in this thread: "John’s death is not registered, but he must have died sometime between 1861 and 1866, as Hannah married Martin Tobin in 1866..."
Parish register:
01 Mar 1863 John Madigan [residence] Silvergrove [cause of death] Decline
"Registers by Surname" at
https://clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/g ... lonlea.htm
Sharon C.
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Hi Sharon
Thank you for that death record and for reminding me of that list of death records. I am becoming so forgetful that I’d also forgotten that James Madigan, who married Mary McNamara in 1860, was from Co. Limerick (according to the Barnsley census) and probably not relationof the Silvergrove Madigans. He may have been a brother of Patrick Madigan from Liscullane who also was from Co. Limerick: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... e/1086587/. And the Mary Madigan from Liscullane, who died in 1884 aged 83, may have been his mother: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 816041.pdf
While I was looking at Madigan records, I noticed a Mortimer Madigan mentioned as father in three records:
(1) 8 Dec 1867: Marriage of Patrick Madigan, Servant, Irah, son of Mortimer Madigan, Labourer, to Honora Flemon [usually spelled “Flemming”or "Fleming"], Clonlowm, daughter of John Flemon, Labourer, in O’Callaghan’s Mills chapel; witnesses: James Quaid, Mary Kelly; celebrant: Patrick Quaid: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 235046.pdf
(2) 30 Oct 1891: Marriage of Patrick Madigan, widower, Labourer, O’Callaghan’s Mills, son of Mortimer Madigan, Farmer, to Bridget Donnellan, Servant, O’Callaghan’s Mills, daughter of Thomas Donnellan, Farmer, in O’Callaghan’s Mills chapel; witnesses: Michael Lynch, Mary Murphy; celebrant: Edward Flynn, C.C.: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 172478.pdf
(3) 30 Oct 1871: Marriage of Mortimer Madigan, widower, Labourer, Monagena, son of Mortimer Madigan, deceased, Labourer, to Bridget Collins, widow, Servant, Kyle, daughter of Thomas Collins, deceased, Shoemaker, in Kilbane chapel, Bridgetown; witnesses: Cornery O’Brien, Mary Kelly: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 173010.pdf
I was intrigued by the name “Mortimer” which is not a common first name in East Clare. “Mortimer” is usually taken to be an anglicisation of Murtagh (Murty). I suspect that the Mortimer (Sen.) was from Co. Limerick.
Sheila
Thank you for that death record and for reminding me of that list of death records. I am becoming so forgetful that I’d also forgotten that James Madigan, who married Mary McNamara in 1860, was from Co. Limerick (according to the Barnsley census) and probably not relationof the Silvergrove Madigans. He may have been a brother of Patrick Madigan from Liscullane who also was from Co. Limerick: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... e/1086587/. And the Mary Madigan from Liscullane, who died in 1884 aged 83, may have been his mother: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 816041.pdf
While I was looking at Madigan records, I noticed a Mortimer Madigan mentioned as father in three records:
(1) 8 Dec 1867: Marriage of Patrick Madigan, Servant, Irah, son of Mortimer Madigan, Labourer, to Honora Flemon [usually spelled “Flemming”or "Fleming"], Clonlowm, daughter of John Flemon, Labourer, in O’Callaghan’s Mills chapel; witnesses: James Quaid, Mary Kelly; celebrant: Patrick Quaid: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 235046.pdf
(2) 30 Oct 1891: Marriage of Patrick Madigan, widower, Labourer, O’Callaghan’s Mills, son of Mortimer Madigan, Farmer, to Bridget Donnellan, Servant, O’Callaghan’s Mills, daughter of Thomas Donnellan, Farmer, in O’Callaghan’s Mills chapel; witnesses: Michael Lynch, Mary Murphy; celebrant: Edward Flynn, C.C.: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 172478.pdf
(3) 30 Oct 1871: Marriage of Mortimer Madigan, widower, Labourer, Monagena, son of Mortimer Madigan, deceased, Labourer, to Bridget Collins, widow, Servant, Kyle, daughter of Thomas Collins, deceased, Shoemaker, in Kilbane chapel, Bridgetown; witnesses: Cornery O’Brien, Mary Kelly: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 173010.pdf
I was intrigued by the name “Mortimer” which is not a common first name in East Clare. “Mortimer” is usually taken to be an anglicisation of Murtagh (Murty). I suspect that the Mortimer (Sen.) was from Co. Limerick.
Sheila
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
I made a mistake with the date of the second marriage of Patrick Madigan - it was on 30 Oct 1871 (not 1891).
Patrick had one child, called Michael, by his first marriage (to Honora Flemon): 16 Sept 1868, Violet Hill, Killuran: Birth of Michael to Pat Madigan, Labourer, and Norry Flemming: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 253289.pdf.
I failed to find a record of the death of Honora/Norry.
Here are O'Callaghan's Mills baptism records for some children of Mortimer Madigan and Anne/Nancy O'Brien:
April 1837: Baptism of Patk Madagan of Mortimer Madagan and Nancy Brien, Irah; sponsors: Patt Brien, Cath Lynch.
July 1839: Baptism of Bridget Madigan of Mortimer Madigan and Anne O’Brien, Elmhill; sponsors: Patrick Hynes, Mary Mangan.
Feb 1844: Baptism of Michael Maddigan of Murty Maddigan and Nancy O’Brien, Doorass; sponsor: Michl. O’Brien.
The Clonlea parish deaths 1844-1878 shows the death of Mrs. Madigan, Morty Madigan's wife on 15 Apr. 1870; address: Wood.
The Broadford Marriages 1843-1878 show the marriage in 1871 of Mortimer Madigan, Claremont, to Bridget Collins, Kyle; witnesses: Corney O’Brien, Killuran, Mary Kelly, Kyle (see civil record in post above). This marriage took place on the same day as the second marriage of Patrick Madigan (to Bridget Donnellan), but the marriages took place in two different registration districts.
Death records show the death of a Bridget Madigan, aged 80, from Tulla, in Scarriff Union Hospital, in 1910: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 511368.pdf, but I failed to find Bridget in the 1901 census. A Michael Madigan, aged 50, died in Tulla Workhouse in 1994:https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 698197.pdf. This might be Michael who was born in 1844.
Sheila
Patrick had one child, called Michael, by his first marriage (to Honora Flemon): 16 Sept 1868, Violet Hill, Killuran: Birth of Michael to Pat Madigan, Labourer, and Norry Flemming: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 253289.pdf.
I failed to find a record of the death of Honora/Norry.
Here are O'Callaghan's Mills baptism records for some children of Mortimer Madigan and Anne/Nancy O'Brien:
April 1837: Baptism of Patk Madagan of Mortimer Madagan and Nancy Brien, Irah; sponsors: Patt Brien, Cath Lynch.
July 1839: Baptism of Bridget Madigan of Mortimer Madigan and Anne O’Brien, Elmhill; sponsors: Patrick Hynes, Mary Mangan.
Feb 1844: Baptism of Michael Maddigan of Murty Maddigan and Nancy O’Brien, Doorass; sponsor: Michl. O’Brien.
The Clonlea parish deaths 1844-1878 shows the death of Mrs. Madigan, Morty Madigan's wife on 15 Apr. 1870; address: Wood.
The Broadford Marriages 1843-1878 show the marriage in 1871 of Mortimer Madigan, Claremont, to Bridget Collins, Kyle; witnesses: Corney O’Brien, Killuran, Mary Kelly, Kyle (see civil record in post above). This marriage took place on the same day as the second marriage of Patrick Madigan (to Bridget Donnellan), but the marriages took place in two different registration districts.
Death records show the death of a Bridget Madigan, aged 80, from Tulla, in Scarriff Union Hospital, in 1910: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 511368.pdf, but I failed to find Bridget in the 1901 census. A Michael Madigan, aged 50, died in Tulla Workhouse in 1994:https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 698197.pdf. This might be Michael who was born in 1844.
Sheila
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Hi Sheila,
With regards to James Madigan, the shoemaker, who married Mary McNamara in 1860, while the 1871 census of Barnsley, Yorkshire, reported his birth as Limerick, later in both 1881 and 1891 census years, James Madigan was reported as born in Clare. See screen prints on page two.
It is still a mystery of who was the father of Mary McNamara Madigan of Barnsley who was searching for her brother, and thus also a mystery of who was the father of the missing Civil War soldier Thomas McNamara of Glandree. At the start of this search, I didn't appreciate how important social class and occupation were in Ireland. A daughter of a farmer would likely marry the son of a farmer, and the same for a cattle dealer, laborer, and a shoemaker. Since Mary McNamara of Glandree married a shoemaker, might her father also have been a shoemaker?
While researching a few days ago for McNamara's of New Haven, I stumbled across an interesting civil marriage record. Bridget McNamara, school mistress, residence Tulla, daughter of John McNamara, boot and shoemaker, married Michael Hayes, a painter, residence Tulla, son of classical teacher, John Hayes, on 28 June 1873 at the Catholic chapel at Tulla, by the curate Michael O'Donovan; witnesses Michael McCormack and Mary A. Kennedy (Tulla registration).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 135224.pdf
What is curious about this civil marriage record, noted to be Catholic and located at Tulla church, was that it was not reported in the Tulla parish marriage register of 1862-1881. There are no marriages between 26 February 1873 and 11 July 1873 in the Tulla marriage register (page 12, see link below); this period extended well beyond the 40 days of Lent when there would be no Catholic marriages. In viewing the actual Tulla marriage register, it appears to have all the markings of a copied register, the same nice handwriting across many years. Not individual entries updated by the parish priest. Were some marriages not properly copied from the original document? Is there an original marriage register kept by Tulla parish?
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls ... 2/mode/1up
The bride, Bridget McNamara, had the occupation of "school mistress". The father of the groom, John Hayes, had the occupation of "classical teacher". Was Bridget McNamara working for John Hayes? And was her residence of Tulla reported on the marriage record, the location of the school, and not the home of her father, the shoemaker John McNamara? Who was John McNamara, the shoemaker?
Bridget Hayes, of Tulla, married, 33 years old, painter's wife, died on 20 October 1875; informant Johanna Grady, present in Tulla at death (Tulla registration, 1876).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 225277.pdf
Michael Hayes, of Tulla, widower, 43 years, painter, died at the Tulla work house on 7 March 1890; informant Edward Baker, occupier Tulla work house (Tulla registration, reported as Galway in error).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 744871.pdf
Bridget McNamara Hayes was born about 1842 according to her civil death record, the periods of 1841 and 1843 have missing baptism pages, so her baptism might also be missing. The informant on her death record, Johanna Grady, was likely the daughter of Pat Grady and Joan Kennedy of Glandree, so might also link Bridget McNamara back to Glandree. Are there any other records for Bridget's father, John McNamara, the shoemaker?
Michael Hayes was born about 1838 according to his death record. He was possibly the son of John Hayes and Judy Quinlivan of Lahardan, baptized in 1835, one of three children in the Tulla baptism register of 1819-1846. But was the John Hayes of Lahardan a classical teacher? Does the John Hayes, the classical teacher in Tulla, show up in any other Irish records besides the 1873 civil marriage record of his son?
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Sheila, with regards to Thomas McNamara and Annie Glynn of Derryhumma townland, and their daughter Elizabeth McNamara (born 1893). We now know the story of Elizabeth McNamara pretty much in its entirety (arrival in USA in 1910; marriage to John E. Toohey etc). The widow Annie Glynn McNamara married Thomas Vallance on 1 January 1910, but there is still a mysterious gap between the birth of Elizabeth in 1893 and her marriage in 1910. Finally, what happened to Thomas McNamara of Derryhumma is even more mysterious.
Sheila, it is your theory that Thomas McNamara of Derryhumma died around the birth of Elizabeth in 1893, and she was their only child. And that her husband's death explains why Anne Glynn McNamara was the informant on the civil death record of her father-in-law, Denis McNamara, in May 1894.
However, in searching Irish records associated with my latest New Haven McNamara research, I've stumbled upon the civil birth record of their second child. John McNamara was born on 2 September 1895 to Thomas McNamara and Anne Glynn of Derryhumma; informant mother Anne McNamara. Sadly, John McNamara, of Derryhumma, at four weeks, son of a farmer, died on 1 October 1895; informant mother Anne McNamara. Both Tulla registration.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 828691.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 678413.pdf
The birth of John McNamara in 1895 provides at least a one year reprieve to the theory that his father Thomas McNamara died an early death. But what evidence is there that Thomas McNamara of Derryhumma died in Ireland? There is no civil death record. Anne Glynn McNamara certainly was no stranger to the Tulla registrar as she was the informant on three civil documents between 1894 and 1895. Furthermore, I reckon a daughter-in-law being the informant on a civil death record of a father-in-law or mother-in-law is no indication that her husband was deceased. My theory is that both Thomas and Anne McNamara left Ireland and their daughter Elizabeth was left behind with her maternal grandmother (as shown in the 1901 census). Have come across this "child left behind" scenario several times now in searching for the missing Civil War soldier Thomas McNamara of Glandree.
My hope is that Connecticut records will contain the evidence to solve the mystery of the missing Thomas McNamara of Derryhumma. The Connecticut death index of 1897-2001 includes 29 entries for a Thomas McNamara; six entries are for a Thomas McNamara who died in Connecticut between 1897 and 1909 (the period prior to the marriage of Anne Glynn McNamara on 1 January 1910 to Thomas Vallance of New Haven):
1) 11 January 1900, Hartford County
2) 26 June 1901, Middletown County
3) 31 May 1905, Waterbury County
4) 30 July 1906, New Haven County
5) 25 December 1906, New Haven County
6) 3 November 1907, New Haven County
Two others were reported as "Thomas Mack":
7) 16 February 1906, Windsor County
8 ) 2 March 1906, Bristol County
Source: https://www.ctatatelibrarydata.org/death-records/
The CT death index doesn't include the age of the deceased, nor whether U.S. or foreign born. I've researched four of the above eight entries, whose stories will share another day. It was this research that led me to stumble upon the 1873 marriage in Tulla of Bridget McNamara, daughter of shoemaker John McNamara. As well as the birth and death in 1895 of John McNamara of Derryhumma.
To be continued,
With regards to James Madigan, the shoemaker, who married Mary McNamara in 1860, while the 1871 census of Barnsley, Yorkshire, reported his birth as Limerick, later in both 1881 and 1891 census years, James Madigan was reported as born in Clare. See screen prints on page two.
It is still a mystery of who was the father of Mary McNamara Madigan of Barnsley who was searching for her brother, and thus also a mystery of who was the father of the missing Civil War soldier Thomas McNamara of Glandree. At the start of this search, I didn't appreciate how important social class and occupation were in Ireland. A daughter of a farmer would likely marry the son of a farmer, and the same for a cattle dealer, laborer, and a shoemaker. Since Mary McNamara of Glandree married a shoemaker, might her father also have been a shoemaker?
While researching a few days ago for McNamara's of New Haven, I stumbled across an interesting civil marriage record. Bridget McNamara, school mistress, residence Tulla, daughter of John McNamara, boot and shoemaker, married Michael Hayes, a painter, residence Tulla, son of classical teacher, John Hayes, on 28 June 1873 at the Catholic chapel at Tulla, by the curate Michael O'Donovan; witnesses Michael McCormack and Mary A. Kennedy (Tulla registration).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 135224.pdf
What is curious about this civil marriage record, noted to be Catholic and located at Tulla church, was that it was not reported in the Tulla parish marriage register of 1862-1881. There are no marriages between 26 February 1873 and 11 July 1873 in the Tulla marriage register (page 12, see link below); this period extended well beyond the 40 days of Lent when there would be no Catholic marriages. In viewing the actual Tulla marriage register, it appears to have all the markings of a copied register, the same nice handwriting across many years. Not individual entries updated by the parish priest. Were some marriages not properly copied from the original document? Is there an original marriage register kept by Tulla parish?
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls ... 2/mode/1up
The bride, Bridget McNamara, had the occupation of "school mistress". The father of the groom, John Hayes, had the occupation of "classical teacher". Was Bridget McNamara working for John Hayes? And was her residence of Tulla reported on the marriage record, the location of the school, and not the home of her father, the shoemaker John McNamara? Who was John McNamara, the shoemaker?
Bridget Hayes, of Tulla, married, 33 years old, painter's wife, died on 20 October 1875; informant Johanna Grady, present in Tulla at death (Tulla registration, 1876).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 225277.pdf
Michael Hayes, of Tulla, widower, 43 years, painter, died at the Tulla work house on 7 March 1890; informant Edward Baker, occupier Tulla work house (Tulla registration, reported as Galway in error).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 744871.pdf
Bridget McNamara Hayes was born about 1842 according to her civil death record, the periods of 1841 and 1843 have missing baptism pages, so her baptism might also be missing. The informant on her death record, Johanna Grady, was likely the daughter of Pat Grady and Joan Kennedy of Glandree, so might also link Bridget McNamara back to Glandree. Are there any other records for Bridget's father, John McNamara, the shoemaker?
Michael Hayes was born about 1838 according to his death record. He was possibly the son of John Hayes and Judy Quinlivan of Lahardan, baptized in 1835, one of three children in the Tulla baptism register of 1819-1846. But was the John Hayes of Lahardan a classical teacher? Does the John Hayes, the classical teacher in Tulla, show up in any other Irish records besides the 1873 civil marriage record of his son?
*****************************
Sheila, with regards to Thomas McNamara and Annie Glynn of Derryhumma townland, and their daughter Elizabeth McNamara (born 1893). We now know the story of Elizabeth McNamara pretty much in its entirety (arrival in USA in 1910; marriage to John E. Toohey etc). The widow Annie Glynn McNamara married Thomas Vallance on 1 January 1910, but there is still a mysterious gap between the birth of Elizabeth in 1893 and her marriage in 1910. Finally, what happened to Thomas McNamara of Derryhumma is even more mysterious.
Sheila, it is your theory that Thomas McNamara of Derryhumma died around the birth of Elizabeth in 1893, and she was their only child. And that her husband's death explains why Anne Glynn McNamara was the informant on the civil death record of her father-in-law, Denis McNamara, in May 1894.
However, in searching Irish records associated with my latest New Haven McNamara research, I've stumbled upon the civil birth record of their second child. John McNamara was born on 2 September 1895 to Thomas McNamara and Anne Glynn of Derryhumma; informant mother Anne McNamara. Sadly, John McNamara, of Derryhumma, at four weeks, son of a farmer, died on 1 October 1895; informant mother Anne McNamara. Both Tulla registration.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 828691.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 678413.pdf
The birth of John McNamara in 1895 provides at least a one year reprieve to the theory that his father Thomas McNamara died an early death. But what evidence is there that Thomas McNamara of Derryhumma died in Ireland? There is no civil death record. Anne Glynn McNamara certainly was no stranger to the Tulla registrar as she was the informant on three civil documents between 1894 and 1895. Furthermore, I reckon a daughter-in-law being the informant on a civil death record of a father-in-law or mother-in-law is no indication that her husband was deceased. My theory is that both Thomas and Anne McNamara left Ireland and their daughter Elizabeth was left behind with her maternal grandmother (as shown in the 1901 census). Have come across this "child left behind" scenario several times now in searching for the missing Civil War soldier Thomas McNamara of Glandree.
My hope is that Connecticut records will contain the evidence to solve the mystery of the missing Thomas McNamara of Derryhumma. The Connecticut death index of 1897-2001 includes 29 entries for a Thomas McNamara; six entries are for a Thomas McNamara who died in Connecticut between 1897 and 1909 (the period prior to the marriage of Anne Glynn McNamara on 1 January 1910 to Thomas Vallance of New Haven):
1) 11 January 1900, Hartford County
2) 26 June 1901, Middletown County
3) 31 May 1905, Waterbury County
4) 30 July 1906, New Haven County
5) 25 December 1906, New Haven County
6) 3 November 1907, New Haven County
Two others were reported as "Thomas Mack":
7) 16 February 1906, Windsor County
8 ) 2 March 1906, Bristol County
Source: https://www.ctatatelibrarydata.org/death-records/
The CT death index doesn't include the age of the deceased, nor whether U.S. or foreign born. I've researched four of the above eight entries, whose stories will share another day. It was this research that led me to stumble upon the 1873 marriage in Tulla of Bridget McNamara, daughter of shoemaker John McNamara. As well as the birth and death in 1895 of John McNamara of Derryhumma.
To be continued,
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Hi Jimbo
This John McNamara who died in 1891 might be the father of Bridget McNamara who married John Hayes in 1873:
8 Jan 1891, Tulla Workhouse: Death of John McNamara, from Tulla, married, Shoemaker, aged 75: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 733487.pdf
I agree that it is strange that the marriage was not recorded in the Tulla parish register.
I wonder if John Hayes’s father, Michael Hayes, was employed at Patrick Lynch’s Classical School in Tulla: http://www.ourlibrary.ca/phpbb2/viewtop ... f=1&t=7167
Good work finding the birth of John McNamara, Derryhumma, in 1895. I failed to find Anne in the 1901 census, so you may well be right in thinking that she and Thomas went to America, leaving Elizabeth with Mrs. Glynn in Derryfadda. I was surprised to see so many deaths of Thomas McNamaras in Connecticut between 1897 and 1909. And no ages given, so knowing that Thomas was born in 1864 is of little use to you. Wishing you better luck than we've had with the original Thomas McNamara.
Sheila
This John McNamara who died in 1891 might be the father of Bridget McNamara who married John Hayes in 1873:
8 Jan 1891, Tulla Workhouse: Death of John McNamara, from Tulla, married, Shoemaker, aged 75: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 733487.pdf
I agree that it is strange that the marriage was not recorded in the Tulla parish register.
I wonder if John Hayes’s father, Michael Hayes, was employed at Patrick Lynch’s Classical School in Tulla: http://www.ourlibrary.ca/phpbb2/viewtop ... f=1&t=7167
Good work finding the birth of John McNamara, Derryhumma, in 1895. I failed to find Anne in the 1901 census, so you may well be right in thinking that she and Thomas went to America, leaving Elizabeth with Mrs. Glynn in Derryfadda. I was surprised to see so many deaths of Thomas McNamaras in Connecticut between 1897 and 1909. And no ages given, so knowing that Thomas was born in 1864 is of little use to you. Wishing you better luck than we've had with the original Thomas McNamara.
Sheila
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Hi Sheila,
Thank you very much for the discovery of the death record for John McNamara, the shoemaker. With his death in January 1891 at the age of 76, he would have been born about 1815. I thought this John McNamara might have had a connection to a John McNamara family of Glandree. But with his age (too young) and my further research (see family tree below), the shoemaker John McNamara of Tulla town is unlikely to have any connection to the missing Civil War soldier Thomas McNamara of Glandree, whose sister married a shoemaker.
Thanks also for providing a link to your posting on the Tulla Classical School conducted by Patrick Lynch. Interesting that when Patrick Lynch died in February 1873 his occupation was reported as "schoolmaster". And that when Michael Hayes married in June 1873, just four months later, his father, John Hayes, was identified as a "classical school teacher". Did John Hayes take over the Tulla Classical School from Patrick Lynch? I could find no information in the British Newspaper Archives on John Hayes, the classical school teacher, or on the Tulla classical school (other than your findings). Plenty of news articles on the Rev. John Hayes, parish priest of Tulla.
There is a good chance that John McNamara, the shoemaker/shopkeeper, lived at #8 on "School House Lane" in Tulla town, at the time of Griffith Valuation. Nearby at #5 was the "National school house", perhaps where Bridget McNamara was a school mistress when she married Michael Hayes in 1873.
Of the six children of John McNamara, the shoemaker from Tulla, two daughters married and remained in Tulla, and the whereabouts of his other four children are unknown.
John McNamara of School House Lane, Tulla Town, Tulla Parish, Griffith Valuation #8; house and yard; valuation 15 shillings. Lessor Eliza Browne.
John McNamara of Main Street, Tulla Town, Tulla Parish, Griffith Valuation #115; house and small garden; valuation £2, 5 shillings. Lessor Michael Daly.
Possibly . . . . A John McNamara of Tulla married Bridget Conway of Tulla in May 1841 in Tulla Parish; witnesses Michael McNamara and John Ha(?) tings (R.C.).
1.0 Bridget McNamara (≈1843 - 1875), the daughter of John McNamara per her marriage record, died on 20 October 1875 at the age of 33. So born about 1842 or 1843. Bridget was likely born during the period between January 1843 to mid April 1843 in which the Tulla baptism register has a missing page. If so, Bridget was born prior to the marriage of John McNamara and Honora McNamara in January 1844.
Bridget McNamara, school mistress, residence Tulla, daughter of John McNamara, boot and shoemaker, married Michael Hayes, a painter, residence Tulla, son of classical teacher, John Hayes, on 28 June 1873 at the Catholic chapel at Tulla, by the curate Michael O'Donovan; witnesses Michael McCormack and Mary A. Kennedy (Tulla registration)
Bridget Hayes, of Tulla, married, 33 years old, painter's wife, died on 20 October 1875; informant Johanna Grady, present in Tulla at death (Tulla registration, 1876). Michael Hayes, of Tulla, widower, 43 years, painter, died at the Tulla work house on 7 March 1890; informant Edward Baker, occupier Tulla work house (Tulla registration, reported as Galway in error).
Definitely . . . . John McNamara, no residence reported, married Honora McNamara of Tulla in January 1844 in Tulla Parish; witnesses John McNamara and Peter Morony.
John McNamara, of Tulla, age 75, married, shoemaker, died on 8 January 1891 at the Tulla workhouse; informant Edward Baker, occupier Tulla workhouse (Tulla registration).
Hanorah McNamara, of Tulla, age 76, widow of a shopkeeper, died on 20 September 1901; informant, daughter Mary Jane McNamara (Tulla registration, 1902). <Tulla, Tulla, House 19, x>
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 604570.pdf
John McNamara (≈1815 - 1891) and Honora McNamara (≈1826 - 1901) were the parents of five children between 1847 and 1861:
2.0 Jane McNamara (1847 - unknown), "Jane Mack", residence Tulla, was baptized on 2 July 1847, father reported as "John Mack", and mother as "Honora McNamara"; sponsors Michael Minogue and Bid Rochford (Tulla baptism register, 1846 - 1862).
Deciphering the priest's writing is a real challenge for this Tulla baptism entry, and it was transcribed as either "Jane" or "Tom" with question marks. I reckon the first capital letter of the child's name was identical to the "J" in "July", so went with "Jane". They later had a daughter "Mary Jane", so appear to have been keen to have a daughter named "Jane".
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls ... 4/mode/1up
3.0 Mary Jane McNamara (1852 - after 1911), residence Tulla, was baptized on 19 August 1852; sponsors Michael McNamara and Bridget O'Brien (Tulla baptism register, 1846 - 1862).
John McNamara (1860 - after 1911), of Lisofin, a farmer, son of farmer Matthew McNamara (deceased) [and Catherine Byrnes per 1860 baptism], married Mary J. McNamara, of Tulla, daughter of shopkeeper John McNamara (deceased), on 7 April 1892 at Tulla chapel by the curate Lynch; witnesses James O'Donohoe and Elizabeth McNamara (Tulla registration). <Tulla, Tulla, House 19, House 100>
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 875412.pdf
.................... 3.1 Mary McNamara (1892 - after 1911), of Tulla, was born on 15 May 1892; father John McNamara, occupation farmer, was noted to be in "America"; informant, Anne Mehan (Tulla registration). <Tulla, Tulla, House 19, House 100>
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 876434.pdf
4.0 Patrick McNamara (1855 - unknown), residence Tulla, was baptized on 7 March 1855; sponsors John O'Brien and Mary O'Brien (Tulla baptism register, 1846 - 1862).
5.0 Elizabeth McNamara (1858 - after 1892), Eliza MacNamara, residence Tulla, was baptized on 12 May 1858; sponsors Patt Hynes and Bridget Lucknane (Tulla baptism register, 1846 - 1862).
Elizabeth McNamara was likely the witness at the marriage of her sister Bridget in April 1892. Later whereabouts are unknown.
6.0 John McNamara (1861 - unknown), residence Tulla, was baptized in June 1861; sponsors John O'Neill, Eliza McInerny (Tulla baptism register, 1846 - 1862).
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In the 1901 and 1911 Irish census living in the town of Tulla was a widow by the name of Margaret McNamara <Tulla, Tulla, House 114, House 63>, the mother of four young children (James, John, Agnes, and Bridget), who I thought might have previously been married to a son of John and Honora McNamara of Tulla.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... a/1088060/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... wn/372087/
But some quick research led back to her husband, Francis McNamara, a victualler. We had previously come across this Francis McNamara and his brother, John McNamara, both victuallers, and also Coercion Suspects in 1881:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 661516.pdf
Thank you very much for the discovery of the death record for John McNamara, the shoemaker. With his death in January 1891 at the age of 76, he would have been born about 1815. I thought this John McNamara might have had a connection to a John McNamara family of Glandree. But with his age (too young) and my further research (see family tree below), the shoemaker John McNamara of Tulla town is unlikely to have any connection to the missing Civil War soldier Thomas McNamara of Glandree, whose sister married a shoemaker.
Thanks also for providing a link to your posting on the Tulla Classical School conducted by Patrick Lynch. Interesting that when Patrick Lynch died in February 1873 his occupation was reported as "schoolmaster". And that when Michael Hayes married in June 1873, just four months later, his father, John Hayes, was identified as a "classical school teacher". Did John Hayes take over the Tulla Classical School from Patrick Lynch? I could find no information in the British Newspaper Archives on John Hayes, the classical school teacher, or on the Tulla classical school (other than your findings). Plenty of news articles on the Rev. John Hayes, parish priest of Tulla.
There is a good chance that John McNamara, the shoemaker/shopkeeper, lived at #8 on "School House Lane" in Tulla town, at the time of Griffith Valuation. Nearby at #5 was the "National school house", perhaps where Bridget McNamara was a school mistress when she married Michael Hayes in 1873.
Of the six children of John McNamara, the shoemaker from Tulla, two daughters married and remained in Tulla, and the whereabouts of his other four children are unknown.
John McNamara of School House Lane, Tulla Town, Tulla Parish, Griffith Valuation #8; house and yard; valuation 15 shillings. Lessor Eliza Browne.
John McNamara of Main Street, Tulla Town, Tulla Parish, Griffith Valuation #115; house and small garden; valuation £2, 5 shillings. Lessor Michael Daly.
Possibly . . . . A John McNamara of Tulla married Bridget Conway of Tulla in May 1841 in Tulla Parish; witnesses Michael McNamara and John Ha(?) tings (R.C.).
1.0 Bridget McNamara (≈1843 - 1875), the daughter of John McNamara per her marriage record, died on 20 October 1875 at the age of 33. So born about 1842 or 1843. Bridget was likely born during the period between January 1843 to mid April 1843 in which the Tulla baptism register has a missing page. If so, Bridget was born prior to the marriage of John McNamara and Honora McNamara in January 1844.
Bridget McNamara, school mistress, residence Tulla, daughter of John McNamara, boot and shoemaker, married Michael Hayes, a painter, residence Tulla, son of classical teacher, John Hayes, on 28 June 1873 at the Catholic chapel at Tulla, by the curate Michael O'Donovan; witnesses Michael McCormack and Mary A. Kennedy (Tulla registration)
Bridget Hayes, of Tulla, married, 33 years old, painter's wife, died on 20 October 1875; informant Johanna Grady, present in Tulla at death (Tulla registration, 1876). Michael Hayes, of Tulla, widower, 43 years, painter, died at the Tulla work house on 7 March 1890; informant Edward Baker, occupier Tulla work house (Tulla registration, reported as Galway in error).
Definitely . . . . John McNamara, no residence reported, married Honora McNamara of Tulla in January 1844 in Tulla Parish; witnesses John McNamara and Peter Morony.
John McNamara, of Tulla, age 75, married, shoemaker, died on 8 January 1891 at the Tulla workhouse; informant Edward Baker, occupier Tulla workhouse (Tulla registration).
Hanorah McNamara, of Tulla, age 76, widow of a shopkeeper, died on 20 September 1901; informant, daughter Mary Jane McNamara (Tulla registration, 1902). <Tulla, Tulla, House 19, x>
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 604570.pdf
John McNamara (≈1815 - 1891) and Honora McNamara (≈1826 - 1901) were the parents of five children between 1847 and 1861:
2.0 Jane McNamara (1847 - unknown), "Jane Mack", residence Tulla, was baptized on 2 July 1847, father reported as "John Mack", and mother as "Honora McNamara"; sponsors Michael Minogue and Bid Rochford (Tulla baptism register, 1846 - 1862).
Deciphering the priest's writing is a real challenge for this Tulla baptism entry, and it was transcribed as either "Jane" or "Tom" with question marks. I reckon the first capital letter of the child's name was identical to the "J" in "July", so went with "Jane". They later had a daughter "Mary Jane", so appear to have been keen to have a daughter named "Jane".
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls ... 4/mode/1up
3.0 Mary Jane McNamara (1852 - after 1911), residence Tulla, was baptized on 19 August 1852; sponsors Michael McNamara and Bridget O'Brien (Tulla baptism register, 1846 - 1862).
John McNamara (1860 - after 1911), of Lisofin, a farmer, son of farmer Matthew McNamara (deceased) [and Catherine Byrnes per 1860 baptism], married Mary J. McNamara, of Tulla, daughter of shopkeeper John McNamara (deceased), on 7 April 1892 at Tulla chapel by the curate Lynch; witnesses James O'Donohoe and Elizabeth McNamara (Tulla registration). <Tulla, Tulla, House 19, House 100>
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 875412.pdf
.................... 3.1 Mary McNamara (1892 - after 1911), of Tulla, was born on 15 May 1892; father John McNamara, occupation farmer, was noted to be in "America"; informant, Anne Mehan (Tulla registration). <Tulla, Tulla, House 19, House 100>
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 876434.pdf
4.0 Patrick McNamara (1855 - unknown), residence Tulla, was baptized on 7 March 1855; sponsors John O'Brien and Mary O'Brien (Tulla baptism register, 1846 - 1862).
5.0 Elizabeth McNamara (1858 - after 1892), Eliza MacNamara, residence Tulla, was baptized on 12 May 1858; sponsors Patt Hynes and Bridget Lucknane (Tulla baptism register, 1846 - 1862).
Elizabeth McNamara was likely the witness at the marriage of her sister Bridget in April 1892. Later whereabouts are unknown.
6.0 John McNamara (1861 - unknown), residence Tulla, was baptized in June 1861; sponsors John O'Neill, Eliza McInerny (Tulla baptism register, 1846 - 1862).
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In the 1901 and 1911 Irish census living in the town of Tulla was a widow by the name of Margaret McNamara <Tulla, Tulla, House 114, House 63>, the mother of four young children (James, John, Agnes, and Bridget), who I thought might have previously been married to a son of John and Honora McNamara of Tulla.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... a/1088060/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... wn/372087/
But some quick research led back to her husband, Francis McNamara, a victualler. We had previously come across this Francis McNamara and his brother, John McNamara, both victuallers, and also Coercion Suspects in 1881:
Francis McNamara married Margaret Murphy in November 1891, and died on 14 April 1897 at the young age of 36 years old from a "fracture of skull caused by a fall from a horse" according to the civil death record. This left Margaret McNamara a widow with three young children, and expecting a fourth child who was born in August 1897.THE LADIES' LAND LEAGUE.
The weekly meeting of the Ladies' Irish National Land League was held at the offices, Upper Sackville street, late week—Miss Doyle presiding. Twenty-two new members were admitted.
. . . [a long letter from Anna Parnell . . . followed by reports from each Branch] . . .
Tulla Branch, county Clare, reports arrest under Coercion Act of John McNamara, five in family; butcher, suspect Galway Jail; arrested 13th October, 1881; charged in warrant with "firing with intent to shoot Mr. Spaight."
Same branch reports under same act of Francis McNamara, brother to above, arrested same date and on same warrant suspect Galway Jail.
. . . [other Branch reports] . . .
Weekly Freeman's Journal, Saturday, 29 October 1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 661516.pdf
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Hi Jimbo
Good work. I was puzzled as to how you came to give the extra occupation of Shopkeeper to John McNamara, the Shoemaker, but it became clear to me when I saw the record of the marriage of his daughter, Mary Jane, in 1892.
I suspect that his daughter, Bridget, was born in 1844 rather than 1843. Otherwise there would be a large gap between the marriage in Jan. 1844 and the birth of Jane Mack in 1847. However, I looked through the register of baptisms for Nov. and Dec. 1844, plus Jan, Feb. and Mar. 1845, and did not find Bridget.
The John McNamara from Lissofin, who married Mary Jane, and who was in America when their daughter, Mary, was born in 1892, was at home in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... a/1087969/
Regarding Elizabeth who was witness at the marriage of Mary Jane, I looked at Tom McDowell’s list of emigrants and noted that an Elizabeth McNamara, 266 West 22nd Street, New York, was cousin of Fanny McCarthy of Uggoon: https://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/cocla ... grants.htm, but that Elizabeth is probably from a different McNamara family. Maybe we have mentioned her previously – I forget. I do remember Francis McNamara, the victualler.
Sheila
Good work. I was puzzled as to how you came to give the extra occupation of Shopkeeper to John McNamara, the Shoemaker, but it became clear to me when I saw the record of the marriage of his daughter, Mary Jane, in 1892.
I suspect that his daughter, Bridget, was born in 1844 rather than 1843. Otherwise there would be a large gap between the marriage in Jan. 1844 and the birth of Jane Mack in 1847. However, I looked through the register of baptisms for Nov. and Dec. 1844, plus Jan, Feb. and Mar. 1845, and did not find Bridget.
The John McNamara from Lissofin, who married Mary Jane, and who was in America when their daughter, Mary, was born in 1892, was at home in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... a/1087969/
Regarding Elizabeth who was witness at the marriage of Mary Jane, I looked at Tom McDowell’s list of emigrants and noted that an Elizabeth McNamara, 266 West 22nd Street, New York, was cousin of Fanny McCarthy of Uggoon: https://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/cocla ... grants.htm, but that Elizabeth is probably from a different McNamara family. Maybe we have mentioned her previously – I forget. I do remember Francis McNamara, the victualler.
Sheila
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Hi Jimbo
No, that Elizabeth McNamara must be the daughter of James McNamara in Kilmore. I think you have mentioned her before and will check that.
9 Feb 1869: Marriage of James Mack, Farmer, Kilmore, son of Daniel Mack, deceased, Farmer, to Bridget Carthy, aged 17, Uggoon, daughter of John Carthy, in Tulla chapel; witnesses: William Nugent, Bridget Bugler: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 192081.pdf
1901 census, Kilmore (Glendree DED): James and Bridget McNamara and children including Elizabeth aged 14: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... e/1087491/.
Sheila
P.S. Yes, Jimbo, you set out the Kilmore McNamara family tree on page 18 of this thread. I mentioned it as recently as a couple of months ago when I was writing about Helen O'Shea's book on Paddy Canny, No Better Boy.
No, that Elizabeth McNamara must be the daughter of James McNamara in Kilmore. I think you have mentioned her before and will check that.
9 Feb 1869: Marriage of James Mack, Farmer, Kilmore, son of Daniel Mack, deceased, Farmer, to Bridget Carthy, aged 17, Uggoon, daughter of John Carthy, in Tulla chapel; witnesses: William Nugent, Bridget Bugler: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 192081.pdf
1901 census, Kilmore (Glendree DED): James and Bridget McNamara and children including Elizabeth aged 14: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... e/1087491/.
Sheila
P.S. Yes, Jimbo, you set out the Kilmore McNamara family tree on page 18 of this thread. I mentioned it as recently as a couple of months ago when I was writing about Helen O'Shea's book on Paddy Canny, No Better Boy.
Re: Information is wanted of Thomas McNamara, of Glandree,
Shelia, this Michael McNamara, was the son of John McNamara and Catherine Walker, born in 1856. After his parent's marriage in 1840 they moved to Tulla town. You mentioned this McNamara family in a brief footnote on the thread "John McNamara, of Barberton, Ohio, returns to County Clare in 1892". The goal of this research was to determine the mysterious identity of the Michael McNamara, who was the baptism sponsor of James Halpin (a topic we also discussed on page 27 of this thread).OBITUARY
MR. MACNAMARA.
A wave of sincere regret passed over the city this morning when it became known that Mr. Michael Macnamara had passed into eternity. Though pertaining to the staid or quieter side of human nature, it might be said that he took a keen and active interest in all matters concerning the welfare of the country. His most prominent movement recently was in connection with the procuring of a clock and chimes for the new Post Office. He was a member of the executive committee, and at all times provided them with his counsel and advice, obtained from years of practical experience.
He was the only son of the late John Macnamara, Tulla, Clare, Ireland, and when a lad, in company with his relations, emigrated to Australia, settling at Hamilton, in the western part of Victoria. Having there served his apprenticeship in the jewellery trade, he winded his way to Melbourne, and in 1877 came to Tasmania. He was engaged as a practical watch-maker in the city for many years, and in 1889 left the colony with the intention of again settling on the mainland, but after a winter's sojourn in New South Wales he returned to Tasmania, and was appointed to a prominent situation in the Northern part of the island. He subsequently returned to Hobart, and commenced business on his own account in 1901, opening in that part of Miller's Buildings facing on to Liverpool street, where he was established up to the time of his death. He was very successful in business, and his establishment was looked upon as one of the leading jewellery businesses in the city. Mr. Macnamara was unmarried.
Tasmanian News, Thursday, 28 September 1905 (trove newspaper archive)
Tulla born Michael McNamara of Tasmania was on the committee to build a clock tower for the General Post Office building in Hobart. As a watch maker he would have been an instrumental member of this team. Very sad that Michael died just prior to the 1906 completion of the G.P.O. clock tower, a very famous landmark in Hobart that few would know has a County Clare connection.* The McNamaras in Clogher were not there at the time of Griffith’s Valuation – at least there was no McNamara who was head tenant. But there is a marriage on 1 Mar 1840, recorded in Kilnoe parish, between John McNamara, Ballinahinch, and Kate Walker, Cloher; witnesses: Denis McNamara, Thomas Walker, Ballinahinch, & (?)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-30/ ... er/7891880
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_P ... ce,_Hobart
The website "Hands of Time; The Index of Clock and Watchmakers of Tasmania", by Graham & Sallie Mulligan, is truly excellent and includes a photo of a pocket watch with "McNamara" and "Hobart" written on it — see below. The biography for Michael McNamara includes his parents and they even tracked down his Irish baptism - very impressive:
https://handsoftime.com.au/listings/mcnamara-michael/
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Michael McNamara had five sisters who lived in the colony of Victoria. Family trees, by descendants of two of the married McNamara daughters, have no knowledge of their ancestor's five other siblings in Australia. Nor that their ancestor's father, John McNamara, also immigrated to Australia. Coupled with incorrect names for Catherine Walker on Australian death certificates, they have not been able to trace their ancestors back to County Clare. Was much easier to trace this McNamara family forward from Clare to Australia with the knowledge of all six siblings and their parents.
Sheila, in my last posting, I stated that the family of the shoemaker John McNamara, and his wife Honora, at the time of Griffith Valuation most likely lived at #8 on School House Lane in the town of Tulla. In 1901, Hanora McNamara (age 76) was living with her daughter, son-in-law, and granddaughter in House #19 in the census. Their neighbors in 1901 were Nixon (House 16), O'Grady (House 18), McCormack (House 21) and Murphy (House 23), who at the time of Griffith Valuation were all living on Main Street in Tulla Town. So I was clearly mistaken, and the shoemaker John McNamara lived at #118, Main Street, at Griffith Valuation, a house and small garden, valuation £2 and 5 shillings.
It was the family of John McNamara and Catherine Walker who lived at #8 on School House Lane at the time of Griffith Valuation with a valuation of only 15 shillings. A much smaller valuation than #118 on Main Street and perhaps an indication of poverty. This might explain why this John McNamara family of Tulla immigrated to Australia in 1866 (on the passenger listing John McNamara was a "laborer").
Richard Walker and Hanorah Madigan of County Clare (possibly Kilnoe Parish?)
Parents as reported in the Australian death record for Bridget Walker O'Connor, who died in Hamilton, Victoria, in 1898. Death record was likely completed by Bridget's nieces who lived in Hamilton, either Winifred McNamara McCallum or Mary McNamara Rodgers, children of John McNamara and Kate Walker. Both Winifred (1842) and Mary (1847) were born in Ireland and left for Australia as teenagers, and thus would have known their grandparents. So I reckon a fairly high level of accuracy. Source: Victoria Australia death index, 1840-1991, ref #7742, transcribed as "Bridt Oconnor".
Richard Walker does not appear on Griffith Valuation in County Clare. His daughter, Catherine Walker, was from Clogher townland (also known as Derrymore) according to her marriage record. The Griffith Valuation report for Clogher townland includes three plots which were "Herd's houses", where Richard Walker might have been living with his family. Or else he could have died prior to 1855 Griffith Valuation.
In Clogher townland, Kilnoe Parish, in Plot 10 appears a Michael Walker. Prior to the discovery of Richard Walker, I thought this Michael Walker was a sibling to Bridget Walker O'Connor and Catherine Walker McNamara, but this is unlikely. This Michael Walker married Bridget Moroney in 1854. His first born son was Thomas Walker (1855), then Michael (1857 in Clogher), Margaret (1859, in Clonmoher), then he moved to O'Callaghan Mills, and had a son Patrick (1863). Michael Walker died on 12 December 1898 in Killuran (O'Callaghan Mills) at the age of 82, so born about 1816. I reckon that Michael Walker (≈1816 - 1898) was the son of the Thomas Walker living in Maryfort, Tulla, at the time of the 1827 Tithe applotment books. Michael Walker was likely a cousin of the two daughters of Richard Walker, but not a sibling.
There was also "Francis Gore Esq, Walker & Widow Boland" of Derrymore (aka Clogher) in the Tithe Appolotments for Kilnoe parish — could this entry be related to Richard Walker?
Richard Walker appears in the Kilnoe parish records one time as a marriage witness:
John Peppard of Killuran married Mary Madigan of Ballinahinch at Kilnoe parish on 21 February 1838; witnesses Denis Sheedy of Killuran and Richard Walker of Ballinahinch (Kilnoe-Tuamgraney marriages, 1832-1838).
This Denis Sheedy McNamara of Killuran, I mentioned recently when researching the Sheedy McNamara's of Fomerla townland on page 49.
A search of "Peppard" on the Clare Past Forum led to another Manitowoc, Wisconsin connection as noted in this posting by Sharon back in January 2010:Was the witness in 1829, Denis McNamara of Kiluran, the father of Michael Sheedy McNamara? Michael McNamara of Fomerla did name his first born son, Denis, around 1841. The McNamara family of Fomerla at Griffith Valuation appear to have been quite prosperous (a £54 valuation). The possibility that the father of Michael McNamara of Newgrove was Denis McNamara from Killuran, and thus a Denis Sheedy McNamara is interesting and will require additional research of the McNamara's of Killuran.
http://www.ourlibrary.ca/phpbb2/viewtop ... pard#p1786
John Peppard and Mary Madigan had four children in Ballymcdonnell townland, O'Callaghan Mills: Mary (1840), Patt (1842), Michael (1845), and Mary (1849), prior to moving to the United States. In the 1860 census, living in Buchanan, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin were John "Pepperd" (age 43), Mary "Pepperd" (age 43), their Irish born children, Patrick (age 18), Mary (age 12) as well as American born, John (age 8, Indiana), Thomas (age 6, Wisconsin) and Daniel (age 3, Wisconsin):
1860 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW9S-TR3
Richard Walker and Hanorah Madigan of County Clare (possibly Kilnoe Parish?)
Were the parents of two known daughters:
1.0 Bridget Walker (≈1816 - 1898 in Victoria)
Mrs. Bridget O'Connor, of McIntrye street, Hamilton, Victoria, was identified as the aunt of Bridget McNamara, daughter of John McNamara and Catherine Walker, in Bridget McNamara's 1885 obituary (see below).
When Bridget O'Connor died in Hamilton, in 1898, at the age of 82, her death record stated that her father was "Richard Walker" and mother was "Hanorah Madigan", as noted above. Bridget O'Connor was buried in Hamilton cemetery, in plot R.C. XV-2, and lists an interment date of 12 April 1898.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211 ... t-o'connor
No spouse was reported in the death index for Bridget O'Connor in 1898. However, when James O'Connor died in 1871 in Hamilton, his spouse was reported as "Bridget Walker", father as "Patrick O'Connor" and mother as "Mary". He died at the reported age of 85, so born about 1786, and thus much older than his wife, Bridget Walker (ref #6310). James O'Connor was also buried in Hamilton cemetery and had an interment date of 24 July 1871:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211 ... s-o'connor
Unknown marriage between James O'Connor (≈1786 - 1871) and Bridget Walker (≈1816 - 1898), although I could be looking in the wrong parishes. Walker is not a common surname in Tulla and neighboring parishes. A James Connor(s) and Bridget Walker were the parents of two children baptized in Tulla Parish:
.................... 1.1 Michael O'Connor (1850 - unknown), "Michael Connor", of "Driminure", was baptized on 1 May 1850; father "James Connor", mother "Bridget Walker"; sponsor Mary Lynch (Tulla baptism register, 1846-1862).
.................... 1.2 Mary O'Connor (1853 - unknown), "Mary Connors", of "Derrulk", was baptized on 2 February 1853; father "James Connors", mother "Bridget Walker"; sponsors Thomas Howard and Margaret Walker (Tulla baptism register, 1846-1862). Reported to be "poor".
The askaboutireland website has been down, so did not check for James O'Connor in Griffith Valuation. Unknown passage of James and Bridget O'Connor to Australia (not researched). No information on whether or not Michael (1850) and Mary (1853) went to Australia (not researched). Could not locate an obituary, using the trove website, for James O'Connor in July 1871, nor for Bridget O'Connor in 1898 which might have provided family information.
2.0 Catherine Walker (≈1820? - prior to 1864 in Ireland)
John McNamara, of Ballinahinch, married Kate Walker, of Clogher, on 1 March 1840 at Kilnoe Parish; witnesses Denis McNamara and Thomas Walker of Ballinahinch and Ki???? (Kilnoe-Tuamgraney marriages, 1832-1883).
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls ... 2/mode/1up
All the children of John McNamara and Kate Walker, baptized between 1842 and 1856, had the residence of Tulla town. At Griffith Valuation of 1855, John McNamara appears to have been living at #8, School House Lane, Tulla Town; house and yard; valuation 15 shillings. Lessor Eliza Browne.
Kate Walker McNamara appears to have died prior to the start of 1864 civil death records; she did not join her family on their passage to Australia in 1866.
John McNamara, "age 40", and his youngest four children, left Liverpool on the immigrant ship White Star (White Star Line), John Kerr, Commander, on 1 August 1866 bound for Australia. There were 400 2nd and 3rd class passengers, according to newspaper accounts. Along with his children, Mary (age 17), Cath (age 13), Honora (age 11), and Michael (age 9), was a Francis McGrath (age 20), who they appear to have been traveling with. John McNamara was reported to be a "laborer". The White Star arrived in Melbourne on 15 October 1866, a journey time of 76 days.
1866 passenger listing for the immigrant ship White Star from Liverpool to Melbourne:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPHD-FRBG
On the 1874 death record for John McNamara, age 60, it states his father as "u" as in "unknown", and mother as "Clar", which probably relates to his birth in "County Clare" and not his mother's name. His spouse was reported as "Catherine Walker" (Ref# 7846, per Australia death index, 1787-1985).M'NAMARA.—At Hamilton, on 10th August, John M'Namara, late of Tulla, County Clare, Ireland. R.I.P.
Hamilton Spectator, Victoria, Saturday, 5 September 1874 (trove newspaper archive)
John McNamara was buried in Hamilton cemetery and shares his headstone with his two McNamara daughters (Bridget and Honora) and two granddaughters (Mary Gorman and Bridget Rodgers):
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211 ... n-mcnamara
John McNamara (≈1814 - 1874 in Victoria) and Catherine Walker (≈1820? - prior to 1864) were the parents of five daughters and one son, all baptized in Tulla Parish between 1842 and 1856:
.................... 2.1 Winifred McNamara (1842 - 1925 in Victoria), "Winny Mac", of Tulla, was baptized on 7 June 1842; father "John Mac", mother "Kate Walker"; sponsors Robert(?) Hogan and Bridget Hogan (Tulla baptism register, 1819-1846).
Unknown passage to Australia; she was not traveling with her father and four youngest siblings when they arrived in 1866. Mrs. M'Callum of Hamilton was noted as a sister of Michael McNamara of Hobart in his 1905 obituary (see below).
........................................ 2.1.1 Malcolm McCallum (1876 - 1897)MARRIED.
M'CALLUM—M'NAMARA.—On the 25th September, at St. Ignatius Church, Richmond, by the Rev. Father Dalton, Malcolm M'Callum, Hamilton, to Winifred, eldest daughter of the late John M'Namara, Tulla, County Clare, Ireland.
Hamilton Spectator, Victoria, Saturday, 2 October 1875 (trove newspaper archive)
........................................ 2.1.2 Duncan McCallum (1878 - 1878 *)
........................................ 2.1.3 Duncan McCallum (1879 - 1933)
........................................ 2.1.4 Catherine McCallum (1882 - 1882 *)
* Duncan (died 1878) and Catherine (died 1882), both infants, were buried in the same plot (R.C. XV-28) in Hamilton cemetery as their grandfather, John McNamara (died 1874), but their names do not appear on the headstone:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211 ... j-mccallum
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211 ... e-mccallum
On the 1925 death record for Winifred McCallum, her father was reported as "John McNamara", no mother was reported. (Australia death index, 1840-1991). Unknown obituary.DEATH.
M'CALLUM.—On the 2nd. Nov., at Brown street, Hamilton, Malcolm, the beloved husband of Winifred M'Callum, and brother of the late Duncan M'Callum, Fitzroy, and Robert M'Callum, Glasgow, and brother-in-law of the late Sir James M'Culloch, age 62 years.—R.I.P.
Hamilton Spectator, Victoria, Saturday, 3 November 1900 (trove newspaper archive)
.................... 2.2 Bridget McNamara (1844 - 1885 in Victoria), "Bid McNamara", of Tulla, was baptized in January 1844; sponsors Mary Grady and J. Coffee (Tulla baptism register, 1819-1846).
Unknown passage to Australia; she was not traveling with her father and four youngest siblings when they arrived in 1866.
The Australian death record (ref #8785) for Bridget McNamara who died in Hamilton in 1885, age 38, is correct: father reported as John McNamara and mother as Kate Walker; it was clearly completed by one of her sisters who would have obviously known the names of her parents.M'NAMARA.—On the 27th July, 1885, at the residence of her aunt (Mrs. Bridget O'Connor), M'Intyre-street, Hamilton, after a long and painful illness, Bridget M'Namara, second daughter of the late John M'Namara, aged 38 years.
Hamilton Spectator, Victoria, Tuesday, 28 July 1885 (trove newspaper archive)
Bridget McNamara appears directly below John McNamara on the McNamara headstone at Hamilton cemetery:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211 ... t-mcnamara
.................... 2.3 Mary McNamara (1847 - 1931 in NZ), of Tulla, was baptized on 18 April 1847; sponsor Mary Brasil (Tulla baptism register, 1846-1862).
Mrs. Rodgers of Hamilton was noted as a sister of Michael McNamara of Hobart in his 1905 obituary (see below). Mary McNamara married Andrew Rodgers in Victoria in 1881 (Australia marriage index, 1788-1950). They lived initially in Hamilton, Victoria, and were the parents of six children (Australia birth index 1788-1922):
........................................ 2.3.1 Catherine Eileen Rodgers (1882 - 1891 **)
........................................ 2.3.2 Thomas Rodgers (1883 - 1892 **)
** Catherine (died 1891) and Thomas (died 1892), both young children, were buried in the same plot (R.C. XV-28) in Hamilton cemetery as their grandfather, John McNamara (died 1874), but their names do not appear on the headstone:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211 ... en-rodgers
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211 ... as-rodgers
........................................ 2.3.3 Mary "Molly" Rodgers (1885 - 1969 in NZ)
Australian born Captain Gilbert Patrick O'Shannassy fought for the New Zealand Expeditionary Force during the Great War. His military photo is at the Auckland Museum website and his WWI records have been digitized at the NZ archives website:O'SHANNASSY—RODGERS.—On the 17th March, at St. Patrick's Cathedral, Auckland, by the Rev. Fr. Ormond, Gilbert Patrick O'Shannassy, Ph.D., of Melbourne, to Molly, eldest daughter of Mr. A. Rodgers, Hamilton, Victoria.
Hamilton Spectator, Victoria, Wednesday, 30 March 1910 (trove newspaper archive)
https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memo ... ord/C96642
https://collections.archives.govt.nz/en ... /R21382887
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/253 ... 'shannassy
........................................ 2.3.4 Bridget Rodgers (1887 - 1888), Bridget shares the adjacent plot (R.C. XV-27) and same headstone as her grandfather, John McNamara (died 1874), her two McNamara aunts, and a young Gorman cousin. The memorial for Bridget at the bottom of the headstone is difficult to read as covered by weeds. See link to John McNamara which has the headstone photo (unlike below).
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211 ... et-rodgers
........................................ 2.3.5 John Andrew Rodgers (1889 - 1942 in NZ)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/165 ... ew-rodgers
........................................ 2.3.6 Evelyn Winifred Rodgers (1893 - after 1931) was living with parents on Lonsdale street in Hamilton per 1915 electoral rolls.
Andrew and Mary Rodgers, with their daughter, Evelyn Winifred, were living on Lonsdale street in Hamilton for the 1915 electoral rolls, but then go missing from Hamilton records. They appear to have followed their daughter, Mrs. Molly O'Shannassy, to Auckland, New Zealand, probably during the time of the Great War (when Captain G.P. O'Shannassy was overseas).
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/165 ... ew-rodgersRODGERS.—On July 9, 1927, at his residence, 5, Sunglen Road, Andrew, beloved husband, of Mary Rodgers, and father of Jack and Evelyn Rodgers, and Mrs. G.P. O'Shannassy.—R.I.P. A requiem mass will be celebrated at St. Benedict's Church at 9 a.m. to-day (Monday). The funeral will leave the Church at 3:30 p.m. for Hillsborough Cemetery. Friends please accept this intimation.
New Zealand Herald, Monday, 11 July 1927 (per National Library of New Zealand's "Papers Past")
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/165 ... ry-rodgersRODGERS.—On May 15, 1931, at her residence, 6, Halston Road, Dominion Road, Mary, widow of the late Andrew Rodgers, and beloved mother of Mrs. O'Shannassy, Evelyn and Jack Rodgers. R.I.P. Interred this day at Hillsboro Cemetery.
Auckland Star, 16 May 1931 (per National Library of New Zealand's "Papers Past")
.................... 2.4 Catherine McNamara (1850 - 1929 in Victoria), Kate McNamara, of Tulla, was baptized in June 1850; sponsor Mary Mack (Tulla baptism register, 1846-1862).
"Mrs. Gorman of Geelong" was noted as a sister of Michael McNamara of Hobart in his 1905 obituary (see below). Catherine McNamara married John Gorman in 1875 in Victoria (Australia marriage index, 1788-1950). They were the parents of seven children (per Australia birth index, 1788-1922) and moved around Victoria quite a bit before settling in Geelong.
........................................ 2.4.1 Francis John Gorman (1876, in Hawkesdale, Victoria)
........................................ 2.4.2 Kathleen Mary Gorman (1878, in Portland, Victoria)
........................................ 2.4.3 Mary Gorman (1880, in Portland, Victoria - 1884), Mary shares the same plot (RC. XV-28) and McNamara headstone in Hamilton cemetery, below her grandfather John McNamara, and two McNamara aunts (see their links for photo):
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211 ... ary-gorman
........................................ 2.4.4 John Valentine "Val" Gorman (1882, in Balm[oral], Victoria)
........................................ 2.4.5 Thomas Hubert Gorman (1884, in Balm[oral], Victoria)
........................................ 2.4.6 Eileen "Nell" Bridget Gorman (1886, in Balm[oral], Victoria)
........................................ 2.4.7 Nora Jane Gorman (1888, in Balmoral, Victoria)
GORMAN.—On the 18th June, 1922, at his residence, "Avonmore", Yarra-street, Geelong, John, the dearly beloved husband of Catherine, and loving father of Frank (Branxholme), Kathleen (Mrs. J.B. Gurry, Koroit), Val, Tom, and Nellie. R.I.P.
Advocate, Melbourne, Victoria, Thursday, 22 June 1922 (trove newspaper archive)
Catherine Gorman died in Geelong, Victoria, in 1929, at the age of 74, father John McNamara, mother Mary Walker (ref# 9696, Australia, death index, 1878-1985). The Australian born Gorman grandchildren of Kate Walker would never have known their grandmother who died in Ireland, and hence the error in this death record.GORMAN.—On the 15th August (Feast of the Assumption), at "Avonmore," Yarra-street, Geelong, Catherine, relict of the late John Gorman, and dearly loved mother of Frank, Cathleen (Mrs. J.B. Gurry), Val, Tom (deceased), and Nell. Requiescat in pace.
Advocate, Melbourne, Victoria, Thursday, 22 August 1929 (trove newspaper archive)
.................... 2.5 Honora "Nora" McNamara (1853 - 1887 in Victoria), Honora McNamara, of Tulla, was baptized on 12 May 1853; sponsor Bridget Connors (Tulla baptism register, 1846-1862). Bridget Connors was likely Bridget Walker Connors, her aunt.
The Australian death record is correct (ref #10315), father reported as John McNamara and mother as Catherine Walker; it was clearly completed by one of her sisters who would have known the names of her parents.M'NAMARA.—On the 2nd inst., at the residence of her sister, Mrs. A. Rodgers, Lonsdale-street, Hamilton, Nora, fifth daughter of the late John M'Namara, after a long and painful illness. R.I.P.
The Argus, Melbourne, Victoria, Thursday, 11 August 1887 (trove newspaper archive)
Honora McNamara appears written below her father, John McNamara, and sister, Bridget, on the McNamara headstone at Hamilton cemetery:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211 ... h-mcnamara
.................... 2.6 Michael McNamara (1856 - 1905 in Tasmania), of Tulla, was baptized on 15 April 1856; sponsors James Grady and Margaret Walker (Tulla baptism register, 1846-1862).
See detailed obituary in Tasmanian newspaper at start of posting.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/212 ... l-mcnamaraM'NAMARA.—On 27th inst., at Hobart, Michael John M'Namara, the beloved and only brother of Mrs. M'Callum [of Hamilton], Mrs. Rodgers [of Hamilton], and Mrs. Gorman, of Geelong. Age 46 years. R.I.P.
Hamilton Spectator, Victoria, Thursday, 28 September 1905 (trove newspaper archive)
Edit 1 on 22 Oct 2023: added link for 1866 passenger listing of White Star to Melbourne (Family Search); added Australian death record for Bridget McNamara (1885); fix typos. Edit 2 on 28 Oct 2023: discovery of Mary McNamara Rodgers, previously of Hamilton, in Auckland, NZ.
Last edited by Jimbo on Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:26 pm, edited 2 times in total.