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 Post subject: Carrig/ O'Connor
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:09 pm 
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I think I found my ancestors marriage record in the Killilagh parish record. Instead of Michael Carrig, on that record , it is spelled, Carrick. I assume they are interchangeable? He married Anne O'connors in 1868. I've seen her on other records called Hannah, and sometimes the O is missing from in front of the name. I know her mother was also Hannah. They appear to have had 2 children in the same parish, Johanna,Baptized, 1870, Susan , born, 1870. The one discrepancy is , according to the US census, their first child , was Margaret, , not Johanna. Is it possible they used her middle name?
I am pretty sure these are my ancestors but due to all the name differences, I can't be positive. All the dates add up.
If this is them, where do I go next. How do I find out who Anne and Michaels parents were?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:37 am 
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Hi Blondie

I’m afraid I have nothing much to add to what you already know.

The entry for the marriage of Michael Carrick and Ann O’Connor on 5th July 1867 in the Lisdoonvarna parish register is quite clear, but the marriage does not seem to have been registered. This is a great pity - that record would have given the names of both Michael’s father and Ann’s father.
I see that the baptism of Johanna, in the Lisdoonvarna parish register also, and the registration of the birth of Susan in https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ are both for April 1870, so I think that “Johanna” and “Susan” must be the same person.

The address given by the priest is “Annagh”, whereas the address given in the civil registration is “Ballyvara”. I see that Ballyvara is a townland in Killilagh parish – it may be that Annagh is an old name for part of Ballyvara. There seems to have been a couple of O’Connor families living in Annagh as these baptisms show:

14th Jul. 1868: Michael O’Connor of Thos. O’Connor and Mary McMahon.
4th Feb. 1871: Pat O’Connor of Thomas O’Connor and Nora McMahon.

23rd May 1864: Honor O’Connor on, of Daniel O’Connors and Susan Malony.
9th Sept. 1866: Michael O’Connor of Daniel O’Connor and Johanna Malony
22nd Aug. 1871: John O’Connor of Daniel O’Connors and Johanna Malony.

You will see here that the priest used “Susan” and “Johanna” for the same person. I think the actual name may have been “Siobhain” (pronounced “Shivaun”) – I remember that when I was at school girls called Joan and Susan were both called Siobhain in Irish. Smcarberry, in the topic on Rebecca Arthur, below, refers to the interchangeable use of Johanna and Judith. I remember that when I was a child the older people used to pronounce "Susie" as "Shooshy" - making it sound a bit like "Judy".

I wonder if Michael Carrick/Carrigg came from another parish (marriages took place in the parish of the bride) and I wonder if he and Anne where staying with her people in Annagh at the time of the birth of Johanna/Susan and maybe they later moved to his parish – or elsewhere.

It’s very possible that there was already a child called Margaret, or that Johanna/Susan died and then another child, who was born later, became the eldest.

Sheila


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 Post subject: Re: Carrig/ O'Connor
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:48 pm 
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Isn't Annagh in Northern Ireland? I'm confused as to why they would put a place in Northern Ireland as where they live,when they are in Killilagh parish. Anybody have a clue what thats about?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:34 pm 
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Hi Blondie

Annagh is a placename common throughout Ireland. The Irish word is "Eanach", which means a watery place (marsh, fen, bog, or a place where rushes grow). There are at least four townlands in Clare called Annagh.

When the 1842 ordnance survey map was being made, very many placenames were dropped by the map-makers, but these names continued to be used by the people - and also by the priest very often. I think Annagh in Killilagh must be one of those "unofficial" placenames.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:49 am 
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Thank you Sheila. Is there anywhere I can see where the townlands of Annagh are on a map of Clare?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:27 am 
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First, on the Clare Library website go to the Townlands page* at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... nland1.htm

Then follow the links for each of the four Annagh pages, e.g. Annagh [Feakle] at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... feakle.htm

and then follow the links to maps showing each townland with different views.

*To get to the Townlands page, go to the library homepage at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/, click on the 'places & placenames' link to get to http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... places.htm, and then click on the 'Townlands' link.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:33 am 
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I have several questions. One about the names. I see now how Susan,Judith, Judy, Johanna can all be the same person. What about Honora? Can that ever be Hannah or Ann? I see that it is probably Nora.

In the parish of Killilagh was there just one Roman Catholic Church or did each town have there own? If someone is listed as getting married or baptized in that parish was there a church they attended? Where would that church have been? Is there a place today to see the church or its remnants in Killilagh parish?

I still cant figure out where Margaret is. According to the US census she was born in 1869 in Ireland then Susan born 1870. I have also found a record of Ann Carrig on the ship Aleppo immigrating to America in 1871,which goes a long with my facts. There is a one year old, Susan Carrig, also on ship . They arent listed together,which I find odd,but there are no other Carrigs on the ship and no other name that would indicate a relationship. So I'm sure baby Susan was Ann's daughter. Anyone familiar with ship manifests.

In the mid 1800's did people often move from town to town within the same parish?

Thanks in advance for any help.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:22 am 
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Hi Blondie

There are no towns in the parish of Killilagh. The word “townlands” is misleading – it has nothing to do with towns. Townlands are just small divisions of parishes.

Go to the Clare library site http://www.clarelibrary.ie , given by mcreed above, and click on “Genealogy and Family History”. To get information on parishes in County Clare, click on “Civil Parish index” under “Research support”. This will bring you to http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... rishes.htm. Click on Killilagh and you will see where that parish is situated within the county and you will see all of the townlands that lie within it. One of the townlands is called Toomullin (No. 45). Click on this and select the Ordnance Survey map completed in 1842. You will see Tooclae R.C. (Roman Catholic) Chapel at the very most northerly point of the townland. This may be where baby Carrig was baptised. Roman Catholic parishes, at that time, often covered two civil parishes - that is why the parish is given as Lisdoonvarna on http://registers.nli.ie. It’s all very confusing!

I don’t know to what extent people moved about. The vast majority did not own the land they worked, or the houses they lived in – they were leasing them, and those leases were not long-term – they were mostly renewable from year to year. But their extended families formed part of their resources – something to fall back on when difficulties arose – so many families continued to live close together, or maintained close contact.

Honora, as far as I know, is just Honora, or Nora, or Norah. There are “short” forms also e.g. Noney, Norry, but these forms of the name would not have been used for official records. The only time you might encounter them is when speaking to an older relative.

Sheila


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:54 pm 
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Honora or Hannora or Honororia or Honor is a name in my family. Its also Nora, Noreen or Noeleen or Noeline but never I think Anne. The shortenings are Norrie or Hannah or Nora


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:05 pm 
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So Honora can be Hannah? I suspect the Hannah I'm looking for may be listed as Honora.
Thank you.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:42 pm 
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I noticed that on Susan's baptismal record that they list , 307 Roadford. Is this an address ? What is the 307?
Also, did families ever name 2 children the same name, even if one was still alive?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:00 pm 
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Hi Blondie
If you look up the birth of Susan Carrigg born 1870 at irishgenealogy, see https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 225292.pdf
you will notice at the top of the page that its page no 307 in the Registrar's District of Roadford (Ennistymon Union).
As for two children in the same family having the same name, I have only seen this when the first-born is already deceased.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:38 pm 
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Thanks for the info. In searching through the Lisdoonvara baptismal record again,I found a Mary or Margaret Connor born in July or 1868 to a Michael Connor and an Annie O'Connor.(fits with other info I have) Residence in Lough,where there seem to be several O'Connors I'm convinced this is the missing Margaret and the last name is incorrect. Seems like Michael has trouble getting his name correct( I dont think he could write or spell).On daughter,Johanna Carrig ,baptismal record,he isnt even listed, just Annie O'Connor and I know they were married. It is also spelled incorrectly on their wedding registration.
Thank you everyone for all your help.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:12 pm 
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I recently received the death certificate for Ann Carrig,born O'Connor,( born about 1852) It lists her parents as Isaac O'Connor and Hannah Fitzgerald. (born about 1807). Other than Ann's marriage and one child being born,in Lisdoonvera,I can't find these people. Any assistance would be appreciated.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:45 pm 
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I also received a death cerificate of Michael Carrig, ( I have DOB on him anywhere from 1839-1848) listing his parents as Timothy Carrig and Bridget Tierney. I have found a Timothy in Griffiths Valuation. Would love to know if there were other children.


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