Ed Murphy (1845-1933), John Hehir (1835-1919) Clare to NSW

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Ed Murphy (1845-1933), John Hehir (1835-1919) Clare to NSW

Post by murf » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:39 pm

I am looking for Edmund/Edward Murphy born County Clare about 1845, came to New South Wales, married Ellen Monaghan in 1874 NSW, died NSW 1933, parents Michael Murphy & Jane (could be Jane Hehir-I am waiting on the death certificate to confirm this). He is supposed to be related to brothersJohn Hehir (1835-1919 NSW) & Patrick Hehir (1835-1909 NSW). Ed Murphy & John Hehir are believed to have travelled together to NSW but I have not been able to locate an entry for them.
Margaret
I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because this subject is diverging from the other two threads you posted to.
Your query is most interesting to me. In Murphys of the Ballynacally Area http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... /index.htm
I make mention of the family of Michael Murphy and Jane Hehir of Inisdea. The first child that I had for this couple was Anne baptised in 1847. However the parish baptism register commences in Oct 1846, so it is conceivable that they may have had other children prior to 1847.
Note that of the eight Edmund/Edward Murphys listed in the Griffiths Valuation, six of them are located in this parish. In researching this family I found a plethora of Ed Murphys and I had a Dickens of a job sorting them all out!! There are other marriage connections between the Murphys and the Hehirs in this area.
What may be another lead, or may be pure coincidence, in January 1875 Jane Murphy of Ballycorick married Matthew Monaghan of Ennis.
I shall be interested to hear details of Ed Murphy's death certificate when you receive it.
Murf

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Re: Ed Murphy (1845-1933), John Hehir (1835-1919) Clare to N

Post by murf » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:19 am

Just took a quick look in Trove, and found the 1933 obituary of Edmund Murphy of Major's Creek, NSW. This says that Edmund had two brothers, Dennis and Hugh.
Michael Murphy and Jane Hehir of Inisdea, Co Clare had two sons Dennis and Hugh.
This is exceedingly strong evidence that we are on the right track here.
Cheers
murf

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Re: Ed Murphy (1845-1933), John Hehir (1835-1919) Clare to N

Post by margaretoheir » Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:57 am

Hi Murf, Do you have the parents names of Jane Murphy who married Matthew Monaghan?

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Re: Ed Murphy (1845-1933), John Hehir (1835-1919) Clare to N

Post by margaretoheir » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:24 am

Hi Murf
Can you give me the details of Ed Murphy obituary . I have picked up other notices but cannot seem to pick up the one where it says he had brothers Hugh & Denis. Many thanks

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Post by murf » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:20 pm

Hi Margaret
The parents of Jane Murphy Monaghan were Edmond Murphy Jr (c1813-1900) and Susan Breene (c1821-1903). Jane had a younger brother Patrick and the family lived adjacent to the Ballycorick bridge. There is more detail on this family in Murphys of the Ballynacally Area, on this website.
Here is the transcript of the obit you referred to:
MR. EDMUND MURPHY, MAJOR'S
CREEK.
Death recently claimed a respected
resident of Major's Creek in the person
of Mr. Edmund Murphy, aged 88 years,
at his daughter's residence, Nelligen.
Deceased was a very popular resident of
the district for over 60 years, and was
a native of County Clare, Ireland. He
married Miss Ellen Monaghan, who pre
deceased him several years ago. The
memory of Mr. Murphy will be honored
above all else for his moral worth. He
was conscientious in the highest degree,
charitable in word and deed. His re
mains were conveyed from Nelligen to
St. Bedes Church, Braidwood. The
funeral was largely attended by rela
tives and friends. Rev. Father Devine
officiated at the graveside. Deceased
leaves five daughters and four sons —
Mrs. W. Mackay (N. Sydney), Mrs. G.
Purdie (Bronte), Mrs. J. O'Keefe
(Crow's Nest), Mrs. W. Hart (Braid
wood), Mrs. J. Collins (Nelligen);
Michael (Willoughby), Daniel (Wil
loughby), Edmund (deceased), James
(Newcastle), also two brothers — Hugh
(Adelaide) and Denis (America).
Catholic Freeman's Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1932 - 1942) Thu 6 Jul 1933

Also death notice of who I believe to be brother Hugh:
MURPHY.—on July 24. at private
hospital. Hugh Murphy, beloved husband
of Jane Murphy, of 151. New street,
Queenstown, aged 81 years. Requiescat
in pace.
The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) Sat 25 Jul 1942

I also have copies of obits of Edmund's sons James and Daniel and daughter Annie.
regards, murf

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Post by margaretoheir » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:27 pm

Murphy Edmund 1845-1933.pdf
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At last, the death certificate for Edmund Murphy. I will take it that his mother's maiden name is Hehir and not Mehir.

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Post by murf » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:03 am

Margaret
Since you first brought this subject to light I have been chasing down details of this Murphy family which I was not previously aware had emigrated to Australia. I have just come across a report of the golden wedding celebrations for Edmund and Ellen Murphy, held at Major's Creek on 16 May 1924. One of the attendees to the celebration was a "...Mr. M. Murphy (Sydney), a cousin of Mr. Murphy....."
There is a distinct possibility that this was my grandfather Michael Murphy who was residing in Sydney at this time!
My grandfather and Edmund Murphy were not first cousins, to the best of my calculations they were second cousins once removed, but I guess that any sort of cousin is "a cousin".
It would appear that there were four Murphy brothers that emigrated to Australia. We have lots of information for Edmund of Major's Creek and Hugh of Adelaide. I also found this death notice for John:
MURPHY. -On the 22nd January, at Port Lincoln, John Murphy, saddler, beloved brother of
Hugh Murphy, New-street, Queenstown, Port Adelaide. R.I.P.
The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1889 - 1931) Saturday 25 January 1913
A William Murphy arrived on board the Orontes with Hugh in 1882. The fact that they were both from Clare and their ages match their baptism dates strongly suggests that they were brothers travelling together. Unfortunately I have been unable to dig up any further info on William.
It is interesting that John O'Heire's daughter Catherine married Edmund Murphy's son Michael. This brings to five the number of Hehir/Murphy marriages that I am aware of, albeit this one being between Clare descendants rather than Clare residents.

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Post by margaretoheir » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:34 am

Hi Murf
Do you think this is the "cousin" of Edmund Murphy who attended the golden wedding celebrations:
Michael Francis Murphy born 29Sep1862 Knappoge died 2May1930 Randwick NSW s/o Michael & Honoria Callinan
Married Bridget Agnes Phillips 11Feb1893 Sydney NSW. Bridget died 1924 aged 58 years.

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Friday 9 May 1930 p 10 Family Notices
MURPHY.-May 2. 1930. registered at Randwick, Michael Francis, beloved father of Irene, Cecil, Roy, and Mollie, aged 68 years.
In 1924 He was residing at 95 Curlewis Street, Bondi, NSW.

If this is the "cousin", do you know how he fits into the picture?

Regards, Margaret O'Heir

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Post by murf » Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:00 pm

Yes Margaret, all of those details apply to my grandfather Michael Francis Murphy.
His father Michael Murphy(1834-1908) was born in the townland of Enisdea, probably under the very same roof that Edmond was born in 1845.
Although I have no primary source document that connects the latter two, there is considerable circumstantial evidence that the two families were closely related.

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Post by murf » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:38 pm

Margaret, I don't know how much of the following you may already have, but I'll present it here anyway. I have been doing some more digging on the O'Heir(Hehir) brothers, especially Patrick, for whom I had little info.
It seems that Patrick arrived in NSW with his family aboard the Peterborough in 1881. This comes from the index:
HEHIR Ann 11 Peterborough 1881 Sydney and family
HEHIR Denis 6 Peterborough 1881 Sydney and family
HEHIR John 20 Peterborough 1881 Sydney and family
HEHIR Kate 9 Peterborough 1881 Sydney and family
HEHIR Margaret16 Peterborough 1881 Sydney and family
HEHIR Mary 18 Peterborough 1881 Sydney and family
HEHIR Michael18 Peterborough 1881 Sydney and family
HEHIR Patrick 45 Peterborough 1881 Sydney and family
HEHIR Sarah 14 Peterborough 1881 Sydney and family

It looks like NSW State Records have removed direct online access to the microfilmed passenger lists, (probably sold the rights to Ancestry!) so it's not sure if these are all members of the one family. However there is good correspondence with the following entries in the Clondagad/Kilchreest Baptism Register:
John of Patrick Heher and Mary O'Dea 27 Jun 1860
Maryanne of Patrick Heher and Mary O'Dea 19 Mar 1865
Sarah of Patrick Heher and Mary O'Dea 13 Jul 1867
Kate of Patrick Hehir and Mary O'Dea 23 Feb 1873
The civil death records reveal a Mary Hehir who died in 1876 in the Killadysert Reg. District, suggesting that she may have died soon after giving birth to Denis(b. 1875). Not all of the children show up in the baptism register, but there may be a variety of reasons for this.
Patrick's obit stated that he left a family of three sons and four daughters. If the above passengers are all the one family then there may be a fifth daughter who pre-deceased him.
I found these obits:
Kate(wife of Dan Kennedy) - The Braidwood Review and District Advocate Tuesday 18 May 1948
Sarah(wife of John Kennedy) - The Sydney Morning Herald Thursday 26 July 1951
Michael - The Braidwood Dispatch and Mining Journal Friday 25 March 1927
Denis - The Braidwood Dispatch and Mining Journal Friday 15 July 1921
Incidentally, I'm rather curious about the name change from Hehir to O'Heir, especially since the latter is non-existant in Ireland in 1901 and 1911.

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Post by margaretoheir » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:34 pm

Hi Murf, Thanks for your post. Yes, I have most of that info except for the date of birth for Maryanne 19Mar1865 which shows she was a twin to Margaret. The family always said that Michael & Mary were twins. I must have missed her entry on the parish register as she is not on the civil register for Kildysart. Mary who married Edward Torpy, pre-deceased her father in 1901. Patrick's brother, John who married Johanna Greenwood paid the fares for widowed Patrick's family and he too was widowed, Johanna dying 28Sep1880. Patrick was the licensee of the Criterion Hotel at Braidwood and, as the story goes, he went back to Ireland about 1890 and the licence was passed to his daughter and s-I-l Mary & Edward Torpy. Apparently, this caused friction with his son John 1860-1922 and so John had the National Hotel and changed his name to O'Heir. Patrick's wife, Mary nee O'Dea, died of a chest affection 23Feb1876. Margaret 1865-1910 became Sister Mary Regis in the Mercy Order at Goulburn. Kate 1873-1948 studied the piano and apparently taught music from the hotel.

Goulburn Herald (NSW : 1881 - 1907) Monday 10 December 1894 p 2 Article
Miss K. O'Heir (Braidwood) gained the silver medal presented by Dr. Hollis M.P. for the pupil who obtained the highest number of marks (100) in the pass section, intermediate division.

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Post by murf » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:19 pm

Thanks for that Margaret. Your reply prompted me to refer back to the microfilm re Maryanne. A closer inspection reveals that I misinterpreted the name. It is indeed Margaret and not Maryanne. So the missing baptisms for the Hehir children are (twins?) Michael and Mary 1863, Ann 1870 and Denis 1875.
Cheers, Murf

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Post by margaretoheir » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:11 pm

Anne was born 1Nov1870; Denis born 7Apr1875. There is an entry in the Clondegad Parish Register for the birth of twins to Michael Hehir & Mary O'Dea Patrick and Matt/Mary [hard to read] 29Apr1862. I often wonder if this could be the twins, Michael & Mary.

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Post by murf » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:54 pm

You mean 29Aug 1862. Yes you don't have to stretch the imagination too far to make Mary out of the second twin's name, and the overwriting suggests some confusion with the father's forename, ie Patt and Michael may have been swapped - wouldn't be the first time.

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