Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria, 1850

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Lyn Coyne
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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by Lyn Coyne » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:51 pm

Thank you very much for this Sheila. I will check it out.

Lyn

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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by Lyn Coyne » Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:04 pm

Hi Thomas,

I have found another Page reference which you may already know about. I decided to check the NLI microfilm for Killaloe in the forlorn hope that Eliza Page's birth in 1833 might be registered there. It wasn't but I saw the marriage of a Leticia Page to a Bourke and thought it might be one of yours. I gave up at 1834 so it's before then.

I have been busy searching the microfilms for Loughmore/Castleiney, Tipperary, where my father's maternal grandmother came from. The surname is Hore so I've had to search for Hoar and Hoare as well. The records begin in 1798 and they are a walk in the park compared with the Mounthannon/Clonrush registers.

Lyn

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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by tomasmacgiolla » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:08 pm

Hello Lyn, I haven’t been active in family research for the past few months. But today I called to the Church of Ireland library in Dublin ,which you referred to in a much earlier post. However the records they have of Mountshannon(or Inishcaltra as it’s called in their records) is limited to marriages between1845 and 1951. The book I received stated that it recorded marriages between a 1845 and 1851 but it in fact it went up to 1951. There were actually only 63 marriages recorded in Mountshannon parish between 1845 and 1851!! When I asked the librarian if this was a true figure he said it probably was, as great care was taken to record them. When you see their records the contrast to RC parish records was very striking . There were only two marriages recorded per large page and they followed a very formal format with a table listing names ,age(generally filled in with”full age”), bride and groom’s father’s name , address and occupation. Anyway there were no Pages listed. There were several Clarkes and some of the other familiar names referred to in posts. It seems the baptismal records have not survived and there are no records before 1845.What a pity as some parish records go to the early 1700’s!!!
I attended a Genealogy show in Dublin recently and came across an American company called Family Tree DNA. They had a list of surnames for which they were offering free DNA tests and Page was one of them. There is a Page Project in the US which is aiming to get people of Page family connection to do the test and trace family lines. I was told that they were paying for the test. I took the test but got an email recently from Family Tree DNA telling me that I must first get the approval of the Page Project to pay for the test and at the moment I am in the process of doing that. The whole area of DNA testing seems to my non scientific mind to be very complicated and there are obviously differences between tests for those of maternal and paternal line. You are also limited to the data base of whatever company does the test. This particular company seems to be very American based. I know that Ancestry DNA also do such tests and perhaps they have a wider data base. The Page Project have a website and you can read the details there at… familytreedna.com/groups/page/activity-feed and the main person organizing it is Robert Page.Perhaps DNA is the way to go to trace our family lines but I don’t know enough about it at the moment,
Tom Page
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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by Lyn Coyne » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:13 pm

Hello Thomas,

I've not been active in family history research either for quite some time. Thank you very much for checking out the Church of Ireland records for me. What a pity there are only marriages and they begin so late in comparison with parish records elsewhere.

I am interested to hear that you are taking part in Family tree DNA. I really do believe this is the way to go. I have a cousin that I found through my research and she has done DNA testing through Ancestry. I also have a non-scientific mind but am fascinated by genetics. I believe maternal DNA focuses on mitochondria. As Caesar and Matilda Page had lots of children there is every chance you may connect with their descendants.

My mother's cousins believed Eliza Page had a brother and that she thought he might have emigrated to America but we don't even know his christian name. I will have a look at the Page Project website.

Lyn Coyne

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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by tomasmacgiolla » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:02 pm

Thanks Lyn. My hopes for free DNA are in doubt. When I took the test I was told it was paid for by the Page project. However I was in contact with familytreeDNA and they say that I must first contact the Page Project and they must agree to pay for it first. I have emailed them but have got no reply. Anyway I question the motives of familytreeDNA- their initial information given was not accurate and I have been bombarded with emails from them since pushing all kinds of DNA tests. I think ANCESTRY DNA would be a better way to proceed-they seem more international and from the limited information I have, I believe they have a much bigger data bank. I certainly plan to do this in the near future.Thomas Page

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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by Lyn Coyne » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:56 am

It sounds like you have been stuffed around, Thomas, and that Ancestry DNA will be a better option. Perhaps you could just get a year's subscription to do the things you want to do. I have emailed my cousin to get a few details on the process but she hasn't replied as yet.

I reread our posts on this site today to familiarise myself and to work out my next steps. It was when I read my first post that I remembered that it is not the Mounshannon CofI records that are the ones to look up for Eliza Page's ancestors. It's the Killaloe ones. I then went back to my first email from Bruce Elliott where he wrote the following:

"You might try a search of the Killaloe CofI register sometime. Being the cathedral parish it goes back into the 1600s, and as we have recently learned, before the church opened in MtShannon in the 1780s (its surviving register is much, much later), many of the Protestant families there worshipped in Killaloe and are in that register – or as in the case of Wm Clarke actually lived in Killaloe parish before descendants moved into Clonrush."

What could be discovered would be early Page's and Clarke's which might be interesting for both of us. However if the theory of Eliza Page being Protestant is right, all hope of verifying that is lost from the non-surviving parish register of the Mt Shannon CofI from 1780 until 1845. What a loss.

Lyn

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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by tomasmacgiolla » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:57 pm

Thank you Lyn. I hadn’t reread the posts and didn’t think of that. I will return to their library as soon as I get an opportunity and keep you posted on results. I should be able to find time before Christmas.
I must look into the ancestry site and see what’s there.
Thomas

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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by PetdogBeagle » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:53 am

Hi Lyn ,
I have read with great interest your story on the Page family. in particular Thomas Page , whose son Edward is my great, great grand father on my mothers side.

Edward arrived in Sydney Australia on the La Hogue in 1877 . his ship record shows both his parents Thomas & Margaret Sheehan were decease. he moved to the New South Wales country town of Mudgee where in 1879 he married the daughter of another Irish couple Cornelius & Honora Lyons , Margaret. they settle in Mudgee raising a number of children & making a significant contribution to the local community through their farming activities. Edward died in 1922 & Margaret shortly thereafter.

regards

paul johnson

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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by tomasmacgiolla » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:09 pm

Hello Paul.
Great to see your post.Lyn notified me about it as i haven't been on the Forum for a long time.As you may have seen from my previous posts i am a descendent of the Coose Pages .My father Thomas Page, deseased in 1984, was born in Coose and married my mother and moved to Rossmore ,only a short distance from Coose in Co Galway.The number of Thomass in the Page family can be confusing and my name is Thomas Page too.
The Thomas Page who married Margaret Sheehan is my great great granfather.This Thomas was born in Oghilly,6 or 7 kms from Coose in 1851. So really we are descended from the Oghilly Pages. Thomas's father was Michael Page and his mother Lettie Lyons.It's interesting that Edward later married a Lyons.
The Oghilly Pages were fairly well off farmers or strong farmers as they were called. Their farm was several hundred acres and the
landlord was the famous Earl of Clonricarde who owned vast estates in Co Galway,The Oghilly Pages also had subtenants themselves. This Page line still live and farm here still and i recently visited the house for the first time. The house itself was built in 1750 and it is a substantial country house but an earlier house existed close to the present house and so the Pages here probably date back to the 1600's. Interestingly a barn still stands close to where the old house was and still barn probably dates back to the 1600's. There is gravestone in a local graveyard with the name Edward Page who during the famine died in 1772 and he may have been Michael's father,From records i have received this Edward(sometimes called Edmund)married a Ann Flannery but i have no other record of them apart from their son Michael.
Michael's son Thomas married Margaret Sheehan around 1831 and moved to Coose. There they shared a farm with several others and from all the evidence were very poor in contrast to the Oghilly situation .There are a few references to their struggle for survival especially during the Famine period in the 1840's.

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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by tomasmacgiolla » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:47 pm

Paul , Sorry i had continued this post and it disappeared off my screen and i can't seem to retrieve it.
I have much more details of family but perhaps it would be best to email each other directly if you wish .My email is tjpage50@eircom.net
Thomas Page

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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by Sduddy » Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:38 am

Yesterday I was looking up something in Ger Madden’s book ‘Sliabh Aughty Ramble’ (published by East Clare Heritage, Tuamgraney, County Clare, 2010), and came upon a mention of a Thomas Page (p. 116), which led me to another mention of members of a Page family in Ohilly (p. 128). I don’t if any of them belong to your Page family.

On page 116 there’s an account of the eviction of Thomas Saunders from Drummin, Woodford, which was set to take place on Aug. 20, 1886. “Roads were cut, bridges knocked and large trees felled” in order to prevent the eviction party from arriving there. But two hundred men of Prince Albert’s Somerset Light Infantry and forty Emergency men did eventually arrive with a battering ram and took the house. Twenty-two men were arrested and escorted to Galway jail, among them Tommy Larkin and Thomas Page, the author’s great grandfather. His source is “The Graphic”, Saturday, 11th Sept. 1886. On page 128, the story is taken up again with the death of Tommy Larkin (aged 22) in Kilkenny jail on 27th Sept. 1887.
On that page also (128) is an account of a report, which appeared the Freeman’s Journal of 27th Sept. 1894, on an inquiry held at Borrisokane Petty Sessions into the murder of Michael Callaghan at Brokagh, Tipperary. Twelve men from Woodford were charged with the murder, including Matthew J Page, John Page and Denis Page from Ohilly. All twelve were discharged except for Francis Tully and Joseph Bowles who were returned for trial at the next assizes of the county Tipperary.

Sheila

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Re: Eliza Page:Inisparran, Clare, to Warrnambool, Victoria,

Post by brendanwpage » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:52 am

Lyn Coyne wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:03 am
Sorry Thomas -I should have been more specific. Your post of 3/12/15 mentions that Francis Page, born in Oghilly in the early 1800's, brother of your great, great grandfather, married Ann Broderick. It's their son (David) who emigrated here in 1860 and married Bridget Greelish.
Francis Page was my great-great-grandfather. He married Ann Broderick in 1832. His son Michael (b. ca. 1834) married Mary Moran. They were the parents of my grandfather Thomas Francis Page (b.1884) who emigrated to Australia in 1904, following five of his siblings who had already done so - Patrick, Francis, Ann, David and Julia. Another brother, John, went to the US. One brother Michael remained in Ireland

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