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Re: Tithe Applotment Books Webpage at National Archives

Post by pwaldron » Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:33 am

Thanks for that Kevin - but isn't the poorer quality of some land already taken into account by the division of all holdings into five qualities, with different rates of tithe per acre?

I think there's some deeper explanation behind this.

For a start, do you know whether the nine half-tithe townlands were owned by one landlord (presumably Egremont) and the rest of the parish by other landlords?

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Re: Tithe Applotment Books Webpage at National Archives

Post by mgallery » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:45 pm

Doonogan was at least partly at that stage part of the O'Brien estate, some of it was later sold to Casey. I dont think it all belonged to the same landlords. Part of Doonogan is poor land part around Doonogan Castle is very good

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Re: Tithe Applotment Books Webpage at National Archives

Post by Kevin J. O'Brien » Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:26 am

In regards to the half Tithes of Kilmurry-Ibrickane Parish.

The June 4th 1826 Tithe has a cover page that states the following “scale” - 6106 acres paying whole Tithes and 4991 acres paying half Tithes. There is not any explanation given.

The 29 March 1834 Tithe Recapitulation document has a cover page signed by Joseph Reville as Commissioner and has the 21 townland listed in the parish of Kilmurry-Ibrickane and states that - Ninety pounds fifteen shillings of which sum of fifty pounds fifteen shillings is due and payable to Reverend John Studdert as Rector of said parish and the sum of Forty pounds is due and payable to the Right Honorable the Earl of Egremont.

There is not a reference to any half Tithe in the later document.

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Re: Tithe Applotment Books Webpage at National Archives

Post by Mary Considine » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:23 am

The NAI Tithe listing of townlands in parishes is rather amazing. It is very advisable to search under the family name of interest rather than under location.

For County Clare, the index list for Townlands in both the Parish of Kilmacrehy and of Kilmanaheen contain many names of townlands not in these Parishes – too many to detail in this post. Of particular interest to me is one entry I found under the index for the Parish of Kilmanaheen under the townland of Clohane, for a James Considine, fisher, 6s 1p (no land area given). The digital print gives a double page for this, and other names that is clearly headed ‘Parish of Kilmacrehy 1820’. Clohane is certainly an area in the townland of Clohanodyne in the Parish of Kilmacrehy. The double page is numbered 64 & 65 and appears to be a page in a book/document – possibly a Tithe list - made in 1820 for the townlands in a grouping of the parishes in Kilmanaheen, Kilmacrehy, Kililagh, Kilaspuglonane, Kilmoon. The records have all been indexed (incorrectly) as being in the Parish of Kilmanaheen.

But for me the big interest is the date of 1820 – five years before the Tithe on the Library website. For 10 years I have been searching for a James Considine in the given location at a date earlier then 1825. So many thanks to NAI, despite the transcription errors. However, can anyone verify what this 1820 listing is? Does Clare Library have a copy of it?

Also – may be of interest to others – under Kilmanaheen and some odd townlands (eg Aticristora) there are some pages listing ‘Strange Labourers’ giving location of residence. These people may not be listed anywhere else as tenants/land holders.

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Re: Tithe Applotment Books Webpage at National Archives

Post by pwaldron » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:30 pm

Kevin

Thanks again for drawing our attention to the 1834 recapitulation for Kilmurry-Ibrickan.

The townland of Kilclehaun where my GGGgrandfather Michael McNamara was living also appears to be among those omitted from the 1826 version, but he appears as Michael McNamara of Kilclahane in the 1834 version. Kilclahane extends over three pages. On the National Archives website, it is transcribed as Kilelahane for the first two pages and as Kilclahane for the third page!

Here are the direct links:
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... _00643.pdf
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... _00644.pdf
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... _00645.pdf

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Re: Tithe Applotment Books Webpage at National Archives

Post by pwaldron » Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:48 am

I can't get my head around the Kilmurry Ibrickane (etc.) tithes on the National Archives website.

Are all the entries dated 1833, whether taken from the 1825 or 1834 lists on clarelibrary.ie?

At clarelibrary.ie, I find 3 Taltys in Coore on the 1825 list and 3 Taltys in Coore on the 1834 list.

At nationalarchives.ie I find just 2 Taltys in Coore, both dated 1833.

Kevin - any chance you have a version of the spreadsheet from which one could deduce the number of the PDF page on which each entry for each person or townland is found?

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... _00544.pdf is a certficate for Kilmurrynegaul, which I think is the Kilmurry near Sixmilebridge

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... _00545.pdf is possibly the back of that certificate, but refers ambiguously to Kilmurry in Killaloe Diocese

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... _00546.pdf is the cover of a book

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... _00547.pdf is dated 4 Jun 1826

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... _00548.pdf appears to be the start of the list dated 29 Oct 1825 at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... ne_tab.htm

By http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... _00614.pdf we seem to be on the 1834 list.

It seems that the only way to make sense of the NAI website is to compile one's own index to the PDF files!

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