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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:25 pm 
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I am looking for the family of John Egan (junior) from Kilrush and Anne Kelly from Glascloon.

Their marriage is reported at
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... iages1.htm
1862 3rd February (CJ).
Marriage: On the 26th instant. At the Catholic Church, Doonbeg by the Rev. John Neylon P.P., Mr John Egan of Kilrush to Miss Anne Kelly daughter of the late Mr. Thomas Kelly of Glascloon, in this county.

I believe that Anne was a half-sister of my GGgrandmother Mary Clancy née Galvin, whose widowed mother Mary Galvin née Conors or O'Connor married Thomas Kelly of Glascloon shortly after the death of her first husband in 1837.

Eight different children of John Egan and Anne Kelly, including two Thomases, one a half-twin, appear in eighteen transcriptions (including duplicates) in Ireland Births and Baptisms at
https://familysearch.org/search/records ... id=1584963

All of these, and a ninth child born before Civil Registration (Mary Anne, chr. 3 Jan 1863), appear in the Kilrush parish baptismal register. Some of the births were announced in the newspapers and also appear at
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... iages1.htm

By 1901, none of the children was still living with the parents:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... t/1082207/

When the father John Egan junior died in 1903, his son John (otherwise John Patrick, who today might be known as John Egan III) erected a tombstone in his memory in Kilrush Churchyard; see
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... ptions.htm

The older tombstone on the same plot confirms that Margaret and Agnes as well as the first Thomas died in infancy, leaving six children to be traced.

I believe that I have traced John Patrick and his brother Thomas Patrick to Jersey City where John P.Egan was president of the John P.Egan Association, a political organization of 5,000 Hudson County Democrats, according to his obituary in the New York Times of 27 July 1932. He was survived by a brother, Thomas Egan of the local Police Department, whom I have found in the censuses up to 1940.

Three siblings, Mary Anne, Michael and Elizabeth, have so far completely eluded me.

However, I think I may have found Ellen Egan, b. 20 December 1867. If so, she changed her name to Helen Madeline Egan and regularly knocked several years off her age.

Helen Madeline Egan married Binford Throne in Manhattan on 8 June 1904. The transcript of the record at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F6HW-T52
leaves the bride's marital status, birthplace, age and previous husband's name all blank, but confirms that her parents were John Egan and Anna [sic] Kelly.

An unusual name like Binford Throne is easily traced. There is no evidence that Binford and Helen Madeline had any children together. All census returns confirm that Helen was born in Ireland.

However, Helen had earlier apparently given birth to a daughter, by a New York born father, sometime between 1892 and 1899. That daughter can be found with her mother and stepfather in various censuses:

In the 1910 federal census at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M5QV-36M, she is described as Laura Egan, stepdaughter, aged 17.

In the 1915 state census at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9TC-SBY she is transcribed as Lansa Throne, 18, daughter.

In the 1920 federal census at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MJRF-FGQ she is Loretta Throne, 22, daughter.

In the 1925 state census at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9BZ-TQR she is Loretta M Throne, 26, daughter

I have not yet found her in 1900 or 1905.

Her death is reported at
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 1031623903
Brooklyn Standard
Death notices: Thursday August 9, 1928

THRONE- Laura Mary, daughter of Dr. and Mrs. Binford THRONE, 128 New York
Ave, suddenly on Aug. 6th at The Glen, Adirondacks. She was a member of the
Junior Auxillary of the Holy Family Hospital and Catholic Women's Benevolent
Legion, Ave Maria, No 36. Funeral from her late residence on Friday, Aug 10,
at 9:30am with a solemn requiem mass at the Church of St. Gregory, Brooklyn
avenue and St. John's Place. Interment at St. John's cemetery. Kindly omit
flowers. South Bend, Indiana, papers please copy.

I am not tempted to pay the cemetery the minimum fee of an exorbitant USD75 to check the records! See
http://www.cathcemetery-bklyn.org/pages.php?page=11

Unresolved questions:

1. Could there be two parallel families with parents John Egan and Anne or Anna Kelly, or have I sufficient proof that Ellen born in Kilrush is the same person as Helen married in Manhattan?

2. Who was Laura/Loretta's father? Was he another Egan or did she simply take her mother's surname? Could she have been officially adopted by her stepfather, and, if so, are the records of the adoption likely to be available?

3. What was the South Bend connection?

4. What became of the other three untraced Egan siblings, Mary Anne, Michael and Elizabeth?

5. Are there any living descendants of John Egan and Anne Kelly out there?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:30 pm 
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A Michael Eagan died at Henry Street Kilrush on 18/5/1869 aged 12 days. An Agnes Eagan died at Henry St Kilrush on 11/12/1866 aged 7 days.Elizabeth Egan died at Henry Street Kilrush on 19/10/ 1873. Martin Egan died at Henry St on 15/10/1879. Anne Egan died at Henry St 28/10/1910 aged 81, a widow at time of death. John Egan died at Henry St 8/8/1903 aged 81 married at time of death. Margaret Egan died at Henry St on 17/9/1865 aged 3 months. Possibly all from the same family, hope this helps you Paddy.
A John Walsh married an Ellen Egan in Kilrush on 20/1/1894. A Tom McMahon married an Anne Egan in Kilrush on 19/9/1897.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:30 pm 
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Thanks a million, P.J.

That's all the children except Mary Anne (b.1863) and Ellen (b.1867) firmly accounted for.

I think Martin is from a different family: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPQL-TYV

The 1894 marriage is Kay Clancy's grandmother Ellen Egan's first marriage; Kay says that Ellen's parents were Martin Egan and Anne.

You or Kay may recognise the 1897 couple who are in the censuses at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... _/1082041/
and
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... en/364462/


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Hello Paddy,
A Martin Canigan & Ellen Egan had a daughter Ellen on 13/1/1893.
A Michael Connery/Mary Egan had a daughter Ellen on 15/5/1892.
A Pat Griffin/Mary Egan had a son Pat on 25/11/1888
Might be worth check those out.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:47 pm 
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Hi P J

I thought you were on to something when I found the Griffin-Egan marriage:

Name: Thomas Griffin
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1880
Registration district: Kilrush
Volume: 4
Page: 151 (click to see others on page)
FHL Film Number: 101253

Name: Mary Anne Egan
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1880
Registration district: Kilrush
Volume: 4
Page: 151 (click to see others on page)
FHL Film Number: 101253

I changed my mind when I found what seems to be the same family in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... t/1082248/

Several things don't add up - the name of the father in your baptismal record; the presence of a stepdaughter in 1901; and the occupation/literacy columns. My Egans have two ornate tombstones in Kilrush Churchyard, so must have been literate.

It would be nice to have an index to Kilrush marriages by bride's surname - does such a thing exist?

\pw


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:35 pm 
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Hi

Is there an index,in any format, to Kilrush Marriages? Please tell me there is, easily available.

Lucille


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Clare Heritage and Genealogical Centre has given all parishes in the county indexes to their pre-1900 marriage registers. Those that I have seen are by groom's surname. The accessibility of the indexes varies from parish to parish.


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I am researching a Mary (or Margaret?) Corry that married a Michael Egan and lived in Cahermurphy, Kilmihil, if that's any help to you.


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I don't see any obvious connection between Michael Egan of Cahermurphy (m.1870) and John Egan (sen) of Kilrush (first known child baptised 1836). John (sen) did have a son Michael, christened in Kilrush on 20 May 1842. Your Michael's civil marriage record will give you his father's name and occupation.

The eldest child of Michael Egan of Cahermurphy was Bridget whose story has been told in print twice in recent years - most recently in Kilmihil Parish Revisited: A Social Pastiche by Kilmihil Active Retirement Association as The Story of Bridget Egan (pp.71-75) and previously in The Other Clare 2010 vol. 34 pp.29-34.


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pwaldron wrote:
I don't see any obvious connection between Michael Egan of Cahermurphy (m.1870) and John Egan (sen) of Kilrush (first known child baptised 1836). John (sen) did have a son Michael, christened in Kilrush on 20 May 1842. Your Michael's civil marriage record will give you his father's name and occupation.

The eldest child of Michael Egan of Cahermurphy was Bridget whose story has been told in print twice in recent years - most recently in Kilmihil Parish Revisited: A Social Pastiche by Kilmihil Active Retirement Association as The Story of Bridget Egan (pp.71-75) and previously in The Other Clare 2010 vol. 34 pp.29-34.


Sorry i wasnt any help. I have never heard a sgory about her


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Hi, hopefully those who were looking for Binford Throne are still active on this thread . I am a relative of Bindords. Hs father, Robert was my grandmothers uncle. They are from the castlefinn area or donegal . I have been able to trace a lot about binford and just today received a photo of him from Vanderbilt university. He played on the 1891/92 team. I can connect a few dots on the throne family in Ireland. I also found the link to Laura but was not aware that she could of had a different father vs Binford.

-Robert had at least one sister -Margaret , she is my great grandmother
-if you haven't done so , google Adam Gillespie Adams of nashville. He is who Robert left for , his uncle .
-The Thrones still reside in the donegal area today.
-some moved to Belfast in the early 1900's for work. They lived in the shankhill area.
-some of us moved to Canada (me)
-the deputy mayor of Derry is a relative , i have been chatting with her daughter .

I will read over the thread to see if I can add to my family research on Binfords family.
Geoff


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I am still here, Geoff, but still more interested in Binford Throne's wife and her siblings than in Binford himself!

I am glad that my post has helped you.

Best wishes

Paddy.


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