Scariff - Monahan

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Sduddy
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Re: Scariff - Monahan

Post by Sduddy » Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:25 am

Hi Michael

It’s good to hear that you have been to Scarriff and spoken to the present owner. He may not have been very talkative, but I think that if Mary had married within the parish and had children, he would have mentioned them to you as relatives.
Just a general note here: In Ireland we say grandaunt and granduncle for the siblings of our grandparents – not great aunt/great uncle – (indeed I think our way makes a lot more sense). If you say “great aunt” here, most people will think you are speaking of the previous generation and will feel at a loss for anything to give you.

It is strange that you can find nothing at all on Mary. It may be Edmund who decided to change to the Monahan/Monaghan version of the name. Mary, possibly, was the first of the family to go and may have kept the Minogue version. But I’m sure you have tried every version of the name.

Going back to Michael – It looks like he and Anne had no children. In the marriage record, Anne’s father is Pat Donohue; address: Feakle. So I looked for Anne in the censuses and I’m sure she is Anne, aged 21 in 1911, living at home with her family in Feakle (Feakle D.E.D.). She has a brother, Pat aged 30, who married Mary Kate Canny in Feakle church in 1920, and a sister, Kate aged 25, who married Edmond O’Connor from the parish of Ogonnoloe, in 1918. I’m sure there are descendants of the O’Donohues in Feakle and descendants of the O’Connors in Ogonnoloe, who may know something about Annie and Michael. For instance, they may know where they are buried and even where their headstone is.

I suspect there is a headstone. Edmund and Anne, who so kindly came home when their mother was dying, would very likely have contributed to a headstone – a headstone for their parents was one of the things that emigrants cared about and sent money for.

Sheila

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Re: Scariff - Monahan

Post by Jimbo » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:19 am

Hi Michael,

I believe your grandfather's sisters Annie and Bridget Monahan were both living in Cranston, Rhode Island from 1925 (state census) until at least 1940 (federal census). Annie was living at 1787 Broad Street in Cranston and working as the cook for St Paul's Catholic Church rectory with its founder the Reverend Michael J. McCabe. Bridget was a patient at the State Hospital for Mental Diseases in Cranston. Perhaps Annie returned to Rhode Island in 1923 from Ireland to be close to her sister Bridget living in Cranston?

In 1930 when Annie Monahan applied for USA naturalization (see below) one witness was her nephew Gilbert Monahan of 563 Pine Street, Central Falls, Rhode Island. Her address is 1787 Broad Street, the rectory of St. Paul's Church.

Bridget in 1925 & 1940:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1532195
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2000219

Annie in 1925 & 1940:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1532195
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2000219


There is a good possibility that this Annie Monahan from County Clare who died in Providence on 12 June 1945 (age of 74) could be your Annie despite the parents being listed as "Michael Monahan" and "Mary". The surviving family member would never have met Edmond Monahan and could easily have listed Annie's eldest brother Michael by mistake.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... print=true
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Re: Scariff - Monahan

Post by Jimbo » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:44 am

Hi Michael,

A few more leads to follow up on. Michael Minogue gets a few mentions in the Irish American Weekly in 1887 and 1899.

The 31 December 1887 Irish American Weekly article is only specific to Scariff, so not sure if this relates to your grandfather's brother:
Clare. At a special court held under the Crimes Act, at Ennis, on Dec. 19, Michael Minogue, a farmer was sentenced to one month's hard labor for taking part in an unlawful assembly at Scariff when a house from which the tenant had been evicted was sacked.
I've never been to Fossa Beg, but assume there wouldn't be too many Michael Minogue's living in the metropolis in 1899. From the Irish American Weekly of 18 March 1899:
Clare. The Assizes were opened in Ennis, on March 1, when Justice Walker entered the Crown Court... Fourteen cases were reported now, as against thirty last year...[description of cases]
Michael Minogue was charged with having posted threatening notices, at Fossobeg, near Scariff. The jury disagreed twice in this case at the last Cork Assizes. The accused was now aquitted.
Above Irish American Weekly articles available on genealogybank.com (subscription required):
https://tinyurl.com/31-Dec-1887-IAW
https://tinyurl.com/18-Mar-1899-IAW

The Ireland Prison Registers used to be available for free on the FamilySearch website (detailed transcribed data, not the official record). Unfortunately, within the past year or so this information is no longer available. The Family Search website states "This article [Ireland Prison Registers] describes a collection of records scheduled to become available at FamilySearch.org." Very disappointing when records are taken away!

The Ireland Prison registers (official records) are available for a subscription at findmypast.com. If you go to a Mormon family history center you can access this website for free.

Good luck.
Jimbo
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Sduddy
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Re: Scariff - Monahan

Post by Sduddy » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:11 pm

Those news items show that Michael was an active member of the Land League. For a very brief explanation see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/learning- ... evictions/
- the second last paragraph mentions the Land League in Scarriff.

Sheila

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Re: Scariff - Monahan

Post by puritanlane » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:08 pm

The 1901 Census shows that there were two Michael Minogues in Fossabeg in 1901 - one was about 34 and the other was about 12 years old. The 34 year old was my relative living with his 70 year old mother in house No. 4. While I accept the possibility of a precocious 12 year old, it seems slightly more likely that the 1899 article refers to my guy.

Michael

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Re: Scariff - Monahan

Post by comaolrunaidh » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:43 pm

Hi all, coincidentally through my Minogue research, I came across this obituary and your post around the same time.

Cheers, Kevin
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Re: Scariff - Monahan

Post by Jimbo » Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:19 pm

Michael,

Should have mentioned in the prior post that the Irish Prison Registers nearly always provide the age of those on trial and often the townland where they are from and sometimes a nearest relative. This will help identify your Michael Minogue. Most convictions don't make the American and Australian newspapers, so don't be surprised if you find many more incidents than those from 1887 and 1899.

There is evidence that Sheila is correct that the 1899 Michael Minogue was a member of the Irish Land League. The Irish American Weekly of 18 January 1902 reported on the "largest and most practical meeting of the Scariff branch of the United Irish Land League was held Dec. 15 at the Market House. The President, Mr. James Crotty, was in the Chair. Members of the branch are:" [long listing of names including M. Minogue.]

The 1887 Michael Minogue's release from prison in January 1888 led to additional violence and was reported in the Australian newspapers - see below article from the on-line Australian newspaper trove database. This article mentions a "Mr. Crotty, P.L.G, and a man named McNamara". I wonder if this is the same Crotty as the Chair of December 1901 meeting of the Scariff branch of the Irish Land League?

Irish American Weekly articles available on genealogybank.com (subscription required):
https://tinyurl.com/118-Jan-1902-IAW
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