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Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by AlStaunton » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:10 am

I am seeking information on
My 3XGreat Grandfather John or James STENSON May have been a C of I minister
His wife was a ? GURNELL of Sixmilebridge Co. Clare

My 2XGreat Grandfather Rev John Ormsby STENSON born about 1810

1st marriage 10 July 1830 St John,Limerick,Limerick,Ireland to Amelia HOGG
Sarah Jane STENSON
Mary STENSON
Edmund William STENSON
Charles John STENSON

2nd marriage 25 Jul 1847 in St Michael's, Limerick City, Limerick, Ireland to Maria WEBB of Emma Vale Co. Clare
Edward Herbert STENSON
Vere Hunt STENSON
Annabella STENSON

11 Oct 1844 Trinity College Dublin
Death 23 Apr 1870 in Limerick City, County Limerick, Ireland

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by AlStaunton » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:32 am

Index to Freeholders registered to vote at elections, Co. Clare 1829

Surname Stenson
First Name John
Title Reverend
Barony Bunratty
Abode Limerick City
Location LIM
Place of Registry Ballybroughan West
Value £50
Date 24/02/1824

Griffiths Valuation of Ireland - Kilfintinan, County Clare
Stenson John O. Heathmount Kilfintinan Clare

Registry of Freeholders 1829 for the County of Clare
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... re1829.htm
No: 25
Name: Rev. John Stenson
Residence: of Applicant Sixmilebridge
Descripton of Freehold, with Names of Barony and Townland in which it is situte: House and lands at townland of Heathmount, same barony
Name Rev. John Stenson
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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by Paddy Casey » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:41 am

AlStaunton wrote:I am seeking information on
My 3XGreat Grandfather John or James STENSON May have been a C of I minister
His wife was a ? GURNELL of Sixmilebridge Co. Clare

My 2XGreat Grandfather Rev John Ormsby STENSON born about 1810

1st marriage 10 July 1830 St John,Limerick,Limerick,Ireland to Amelia HOGG
Sarah Jane STENSON
Mary STENSON
Edmund William STENSON
Charles John STENSON

2nd marriage 25 Jul 1847 in St Michael's, Limerick City, Limerick, Ireland to Maria WEBB of Emma Vale Co. Clare
Edward Herbert STENSON
Vere Hunt STENSON
Annabella STENSON

11 Oct 1844 Trinity College Dublin
Death 23 Apr 1870 in Limerick City, County Limerick, Ireland
Have you already scoured the records at the Representative Church Body Library of The Church of Ireland (see http://www.ireland.anglican.org/index.p ... bout&id=42 ) ?

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by AlStaunton » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:36 am

Yes I have a copy of Clerical Succession list from RCBL Library. That is where I found that Rev John Ormsby STENSON's mother was a Miss GURNELL of Sixmilebridge and he was born in Clare about 1810. That is about the extent of the information I have on her. It doesn't even list her given name. It also lists his marriages, children, entering Trinity College Dublin and that he was Curate of Kilpeacon

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by pwaldron » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:59 am

Have you checked the pamphlet by Niall Arthur Johnston produced to mark the tercentary of Kilpeacon Parish Church a few years ago?

There are Stenson graves in the Sixmilebridge churchyard - the old church there is now the local library. I will try to get the inscriptions and post them here.

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by smcarberry » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:14 pm

In homage to DeWitt Gurnell, the kindly senior gentleman who taught me to play fife (similar to a tin whistle) and march in his Drum and Fife Corps back in my hometown of Rhinebeck NY, I did a bit of Googling and can provide some leads for your research. Since your Stenson and Gurnell lines held property, there should also be good data (even a marriage settlement) in the Registry of Deeds, Henrietta St, Dublin, although the only online resource for that is an ongoing indexing project that by currently has nothing for those surnames, and also wills, for which there are several publications (by compilers Vicars, Phillimore, Eustace) to consult although many pre-1922 wills now only exist in abstracted form at best. Newspapers can be a fertile source of biographical data, and some articles do appear online, although more can be found in these indexes (which actually provide content in abstracted form) for the pre-1825 era:
Rosemary ffolliott - on microfiche
"Index to Biographical Notices Collected from Newspapers, Principally Relating to Cork and Kerry, 1756-1827"
"Index to Biographical Notices in the Newspapers of Limerick, Ennis, Clonmel and Waterford, 1758-1821."

availability: in Dublin (either the Genealogical Office or the National Library) or check for a location near you, via this:
WorldCat http://www.worldcat.org/advancedsearch

To get a definite birth date for your Trinity College graduate and find other family members who also attended (for the years 1593-1846), you can consult this person heavily involved in IGP projects to bring online Irish data:
Christina Hunt Ninah@carolina.rr.com
'02posting
has access to Alumni Dublineses on film
"You can mainly learn the father of the person. You could look for a brother who became a Churchman for instance. It doesn't have to be your own ancestor. I got it to look up a brother.
An example entry:
DELANY, Edmund, Pen. (Mr. Scraggs),
Oct. 16 1820, aged 14; R.C. s. of William, Generosus; b. Tipperary .B.A. Vern.
1825 M.A. Nov. 1832."

On this Forum, Paddy Casey has discussed vestry books as a resource:
Kilnasoolagh vestry book
http://www.ourlibrary.ca/phpbb2/viewtop ... stry#p2901

My response posting to Paddy's posting lists some Church of Ireland resouces, and here is a standard work that I always recommend:
John Grenham, available at
http://books.google.com/books?id=ATRlo0 ... &q&f=false

Forum member M. McNamara posted about the Church of Ireland location in Sixmilebridge, which he called the Kilfinaghty parish church.

My quick Googling with key terms brought up some items that seem on point.

Deaths, June 1823
On Friday last, aged 34 years, at Ballyquin, near Broadford, in the County
of Clare, the Rev. Mr. STENSON, P.P. of Newmarket-on-Fergus.
http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Galway/1823/JUN.html

The screenshots shown below are from:

Inchiquin papers p. 74
http://www.nli.ie/pdfs/mss%20lists/143_Inchiquin.pdf

The Other Clare, vol. 5 on flax production connection
http://www.duchasnasionna.eu/other_clare/vol_5.pdf

1852 firearm license
http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issu ... 9/page.pdf


Since my family was from this general area, please report back and let us know what more you find.

Sharon Carberry
USA
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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by AlStaunton » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:02 pm

pwaldron wrote:Have you checked the pamphlet by Niall Arthur Johnston produced to mark the tercentary of Kilpeacon Parish Church a few years ago?

There are Stenson graves in the Sixmilebridge churchyard - the old church there is now the local library. I will try to get the inscriptions and post them here.
No I havent Unaware of such a document. I am 4th generation Australian born and just starting to trace my roots so have much to learn

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by pwaldron » Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:00 am

Alumni Dublinenses - 1924 edition (with coverage to 1846) has no Gurnell.

It has only two Stensons:

STENSON, EDMUND, Pen. (his father),
Nov. 9, 1846, aged 14; s. of John,
Generosus; b. Co. Limerick.
STENSON, JOHN ORMSBY, Pen. (Mr
Allen), Oct. 11, 1844, aged 33; s. of
James, Generosus ; b. Co. Clare.

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by AlStaunton » Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:46 am

smcarberry wrote:In homage to DeWitt Gurnell, the kindly senior gentleman who taught me to play fife (similar to a tin whistle) and march in his Drum and Fife Corps back in my hometown of Rhinebeck NY, I did a bit of Googling and can provide some leads for your research. Since your Stenson and Gurnell lines held property, there should also be good data (even a marriage settlement) in the Registry of Deeds, Henrietta St, Dublin, although the only online resource for that is an ongoing indexing project that by currently has nothing for those surnames, and also wills, for which there are several publications (by compilers Vicars, Phillimore, Eustace) to consult although many pre-1922 wills now only exist in abstracted form at best. Newspapers can be a fertile source of biographical data, and some articles do appear online, although more can be found in these indexes (which actually provide content in abstracted form) for the pre-1825 era:
Rosemary ffolliott - on microfiche
"Index to Biographical Notices Collected from Newspapers, Principally Relating to Cork and Kerry, 1756-1827"
"Index to Biographical Notices in the Newspapers of Limerick, Ennis, Clonmel and Waterford, 1758-1821."

availability: in Dublin (either the Genealogical Office or the National Library) or check for a location near you, via this:
WorldCat http://www.worldcat.org/advancedsearch

To get a definite birth date for your Trinity College graduate and find other family members who also attended (for the years 1593-1846), you can consult this person heavily involved in IGP projects to bring online Irish data:
Christina Hunt Ninah@carolina.rr.com
'02posting
has access to Alumni Dublineses on film
"You can mainly learn the father of the person. You could look for a brother who became a Churchman for instance. It doesn't have to be your own ancestor. I got it to look up a brother.
An example entry:
DELANY, Edmund, Pen. (Mr. Scraggs),
Oct. 16 1820, aged 14; R.C. s. of William, Generosus; b. Tipperary .B.A. Vern.
1825 M.A. Nov. 1832."

On this Forum, Paddy Casey has discussed vestry books as a resource:
Kilnasoolagh vestry book
http://www.ourlibrary.ca/phpbb2/viewtop ... stry#p2901

My response posting to Paddy's posting lists some Church of Ireland resouces, and here is a standard work that I always recommend:
John Grenham, available at
http://books.google.com/books?id=ATRlo0 ... &q&f=false

Forum member M. McNamara posted about the Church of Ireland location in Sixmilebridge, which he called the Kilfinaghty parish church.

My quick Googling with key terms brought up some items that seem on point.

Deaths, June 1823
On Friday last, aged 34 years, at Ballyquin, near Broadford, in the County
of Clare, the Rev. Mr. STENSON, P.P. of Newmarket-on-Fergus.
http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Galway/1823/JUN.html

The screenshots shown below are from:

Inchiquin papers p. 74
http://www.nli.ie/pdfs/mss%20lists/143_Inchiquin.pdf

The Other Clare, vol. 5 on flax production connection
http://www.duchasnasionna.eu/other_clare/vol_5.pdf

1852 firearm license
http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issu ... 9/page.pdf


Since my family was from this general area, please report back and let us know what more you find.

Sharon Carberry
USA
Thanks Sharon for the information and prompt reply. Will keep you posted

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by AlStaunton » Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:16 am

pwaldron wrote:Alumni Dublinenses - 1924 edition (with coverage to 1846) has no Gurnell.

It has only two Stensons:

STENSON, EDMUND, Pen. (his father),
Nov. 9, 1846, aged 14; s. of John,
Generosus; b. Co. Limerick.
STENSON, JOHN ORMSBY, Pen. (Mr
Allen), Oct. 11, 1844, aged 33; s. of
James, Generosus ; b. Co. Clare.
Thank you. Edmund STENSON would be John Ormsby STENSON's son. Very interesting history attached to him and his descendants. He went to South Africa with the military but stayed on and was ordained a priest in 1873 Appointed first Rector of St Mary's, Barkly West. His son John William STENSON also became a priest and his church at Mohales Hoek was under seige by the Basutos
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/ar ... erm=Basuto
Four of his grandsons were members of Baden Powell cadets and involved in the siege of Mafeking
http://www.scouting.milestones.btinternet.co.uk/

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by pwaldron » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:03 pm

I have been told that the Stenson inscription in the Sixmilebridge library grounds (formerly Church of Ireland churchyard) reads:

Sacred to the memory of Isabela Stenson alias Wilson who departed this life on the 16th of January 1877[?] aged 54 years. Also her husband James Stenson who departed life May 18th 1897 aged 59 years. Erected by James Stenson, their son.

The years are very difficult to read and the above interpretation makes Isabella about 15 years older than her husband.

I cannot find the Stenson-Wilson marriage in Irish Civil Registration Indexes, so it may have taken place before 1 April 1845 or far from Sixmilebridge.

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by M. McNamara » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:24 pm

Several years ago, I did a lot of research on the Church of Ireland church in Sixmilebridge, or Kilfinaghty parish church to give it its correct title.

The only reference to Stenson that I could find was the headstone that Paddy Waldron has already referred to. It is lying on the ground on the left as one enters the churchyard from the Church St. entrance. The 1877(?) date that Paddy mentions is unclear.
I have a copy of a survey of the graveyard done in 1931 by Eyre Ievers of Mount Ievers. That survey shows the location of the headstone and merely notes two dates; 1897 and 1817. However, this date would make the full inscription even less likely.

I went to the RCB library and consulted what they had relating to Kilfinaghty. The register of marriages covers the years 1862 to 1939 and shows the name of the groom (and occasionally that of the bride) and the name of the clergyman officiating. In that period of 80 years, there were just 19 marriages. The Stenson name does not appear.

I also looked up the Succession list of the Vicars of the parish of Kilfinaghty. This list was drawn up in 1946 by Canon J.B. Leslie. The list runs from 1613 to 1918. The Stenson name does not appear.

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by AlStaunton » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:33 am

pwaldron wrote:Alumni Dublinenses - 1924 edition (with coverage to 1846) has no Gurnell.

It has only two Stensons:

STENSON, EDMUND, Pen. (his father),
Nov. 9, 1846, aged 14; s. of John,
Generosus; b. Co. Limerick.
STENSON, JOHN ORMSBY, Pen. (Mr
Allen), Oct. 11, 1844, aged 33; s. of
James, Generosus ; b. Co. Clare.

Do you have access to Alumni Dublinenses with coverage after 1846?
I have found a record in Crockfords 1885 for aJohn Ormsby William STENSON who graduated from TCD B.A. 1868 By the name he would fit into the tree somewhere. Looking for his fathers name and his birth location

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by pwaldron » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:38 pm

I was in TCD today and checked the volumes at the front desk in the Berkeley Library.

The second edition of Alumni Dublinenses had an appendix going up to 1860, which was not much help.

There are various Catalogues of Graduates which show only names, degrees and dates awarded. They include three Stenson entries:

Stenson (John Ormsby) B.A., AEst. 1855
[degree conferred a long time after he was admitted on Oct. 11, 1844]

Stenson (John Witson) B.A., Hiem. 1867

Stenson (John Wilson) B.A., Hiem. 1868

None of these quite matches the entry you found in Crockfords. The last two look like the same person, one with the middle name misspelled and one with a wrong year of conferring!

The original registers are in the Manuscripts Department and would give parents' names and county of birth, but I didn't have time to go there.

Following the advice at
http://www.tcd.ie/about/genealogical/
and
http://www.tcd.ie/Library/manuscripts/
the next step should probably be to e-mail your query to the Manuscripts Department.

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Re: Stenson and Gurnell, Sixmilebridge County Clare

Post by AlStaunton » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:13 am

pwaldron wrote:I was in TCD today and checked the volumes at the front desk in the Berkeley Library.

The second edition of Alumni Dublinenses had an appendix going up to 1860, which was not much help.

There are various Catalogues of Graduates which show only names, degrees and dates awarded. They include three Stenson entries:

Stenson (John Ormsby) B.A., AEst. 1855
[degree conferred a long time after he was admitted on Oct. 11, 1844]

Stenson (John Witson) B.A., Hiem. 1867

Stenson (John Wilson) B.A., Hiem. 1868

None of these quite matches the entry you found in Crockfords. The last two look like the same person, one with the middle name misspelled and one with a wrong year of conferring!

The original registers are in the Manuscripts Department and would give parents' names and county of birth, but I didn't have time to go there.

Following the advice at
http://www.tcd.ie/about/genealogical/
and
http://www.tcd.ie/Library/manuscripts/
the next step should probably be to e-mail your query to the Manuscripts Department.

Thanks for your help and assistance again. It is very much appreciated.

I'll keep probing. Considering that when I started I knew my Grand Father was a Samuel YOUNG born in Limerick about 1874 three of his sisters names and his mothers name was Annabella STENSON i have made great inroads.

John Wilson Stenson is an interesting one seems to tie in with the name you provided from the Sixmilebridge cemetery Isabel Stenson nee Wilson. They like to use surnames as given names I am finding out. The Ormsby name has me intrigued, it keeps recurring through different generations.

Here are a couple of records I found in The National Archives, Kew :
JAMES STENSON
Born BROADFORD, Clare
Served in 39th Foot Regiment
Discharged aged 40
Covering Dates 1824-1845

WILLIAM STENSON
Born SIX MILE BRIDGE, Clare
Served in 49th Foot Regiment
Discharged aged 34
Covering Dates 1817-1829

Keep shaking the tree and you never know who is going to fall out

Cheers

Al

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