Cahiranouga - help locating needed please

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ckierce
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Cahiranouga - help locating needed please

Post by ckierce » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:51 am

I am hoping that someone can help me locate where Cahiranouga or Caheranonga is/was please. It is transcribed as Cahiranouga in Ballyvaughan Baptisms on Clare library site.
It is listed as the place of residence of my great grandparents when their youngest child was baptised in 1860 in Ballyvaughan Parish by Fr Francis Forde. I have searched every map and available source to no avail. Their previous place of residence listed on the only two other baptisms that I have been able to find was Lisaroo in 1855 and 1857. I have located Lisaroo on 1842 maps north of Croag North.

I have attached a copy of the relevant page - the entry is 4th line from the bottom of page - parents Patrick Kierse and Margaret Waters.

Any help and guidance would be much appreciated.
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smcarberry
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Re: Cahiranouga - help locating needed please

Post by smcarberry » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:14 am

A combination of Sheila Duddy's church transcription plus the Library's Tithe Applotment townland list (of the 1820s, containing many obsolete placenames) indicates that the townland is Cahirawaraga, which must be near Lisaroo where this family lived just prior to the 1860 baptism. The civil parish is Drumcreehy.

http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... wnland.htm

The family's baptisms in the 1850s:
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... 4-1880.htm

Sduddy
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Re: Cahiranouga - help locating needed please

Post by Sduddy » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:37 am

Yes, I agree with Sharon Carberry that Cahiranouga is in the civil parish of Drumcreehy (which lies within the Catholic parish of Ballyvaughan).
The only place I can find a reference to Cahiranouge is in the Books of Survey and Distribution for the parish of Drumcreehy: http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... parish.htm
For more information on Drumcreehy go to Research Support and to Civil Parishes: http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... creehy.htm
You will see that while the Tithe Applotment book for Drumcreehy does not show Cahiranouge, it does show Lisaroo – the other address used by Patrick Keirse.
In the making of the 1842 Ordnance Survey map, decisions were made as to what were to be designated “official” townlands, and the "official" townlands are the townlands that are listed in Griffith’s Valuation (1856). Neither Cahiranouge, nor Lisaroo made it into that list, but I feel sure that someone will know which “official” townland Cahernaouge belongs to – very often these old placenames are still used locally.

“Caher” (Cathair in Irish) denotes a ringfort, so I expected to find Cahiranouge on the Archaeology page of www.clarelibrary.ie, but did not find it – at least I did not find it under that spelling: http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclar ... gforts.htm.

John O’Donovan (1806-1861) wrote about the antiquities in each parish in Co. Clare, and, writing about Drumcreehy and in particular about the cahers he found there, he says, “ Of these there are several but in a state of great dilapidation, as (1) Caher-Loughlin in the townland of Muckinish West; (2) Cahernahooan (Cathair na h-Uamhann) i.e. the Caher of the Cave in the Townland of Ballycahill …; (3) Ooan-Knocknagroagh, in Irish Uamhainn Chnuic na gCruach, this is just effaced. (4) Caher a Mhargaidh, in Newtown, all destroyed and even blotted off the surface of the land …(5) Lisnanard, in the Townland of the same name. (6) The Caher of Ballyvaughan in the Townland of Ballyvaughan and not far from it three small ones. (7) Cahermore, in the Townland of Ballyconry …and (8) Caher-Mael in the Townland of Dangan”

You will notice that O’Donovan mentions three small cahers in the townland of Ballyvaughan, which he does not name – it may be that Cahernanouge is one of these. Or could it be that Cahiranouge is a version of Cahernahooan?

Sheila

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